I'm with Snowdog on this one. A clean camp is the best deterent there is. I've also been 25+ years away from hanging packs. Too much work, and the entertainment value derived from watching bears swatting at the pack is minimal. I'd rather hang a stringer of fish from a tree. Less work, and it will definitely call the bears to camp, as well as iritate the gulls and any companions foolish enough to stay in camp with you. ;) :D ;D ;D ::) old salt