These are kool too. There is an outfit in Chicago that pedals Ti sheet and rod stock-lighter and strong than Al or galvi sheet metal.....Ah another thing to chase after. Proud boy I found a neato video on the you tube on the outback but was not able to figure out how to link it to your split thread! I did include the info. Any one work with Ti? The thermo-patina would be amazing when the boy inherits it :) Old Scout's product looks neat does it pack flat?