I am a voyager short and stout (must be sung). Think about carrying a ninty pound bale without any fancy dancy harness and in mocks.... It helps me ;) Fishpig everything is better with butter-dont knock it until you try it-good in soups and think filo ;D Really I have to do two overs and three overs.....my sub forty pound 8 year old can only manage paddles and jacket so I get the rest-----TOTALLY OK-Last year was the first time in years that I got over in one...rested for a week, eating gourmet with my girlfriend on Cherokee....but I think she was trying to impress me ;)on that one portahge and the time before that was 15 years ago on the Jap./Paulsen portage solo (does it count if one stops for water....?thats a good one). EVery time I come back I dump the stuff I did  not use(with reason not stupidity)....I have never been able to get ahead of the game however, comando is just not 4 me. Here's to being off topic! Sorry if I bummed any persons out!