I use to focus on the miles.....the boy really slowed my pace and made me work harder. It opened a lot of doors for me. Love the pace, love the two/three/four overs. Loved carrying him on my shoulders with the pack and then back over again to get another...had to stopp doing this when he was 7...The things that we have seen, the photography ( the frames that I have filled simply because I have seen "it" from a different angle), he is bomber at finding those strawberries too.....must be the angle. If I wanted to go fast I would have to dump the gormet thing, fishing, stoves, the photoes, and on and on-Why then go? :-? $ us...GOALS what is it about for you....your group....what are you looking to share with your chums? Is it a miles trip? Is it a speed trip? IS it a one over trip? ;)