pine_knot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2010 at 1:35am:

Does anyone know if these run as the size is advertised or do they tend to run smaller or larger?  Thx.

jdrocks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2010 at 1:54am:

smaller

The inserts take up room.  They will be very close to size WITHOUT the inserts (but you'll probably prefer to have at least one of them.)

BTW:  Both Ohdin AND Abyss are on sale for $70.  I just didn't change to Green.  I'm hoping green may be a tad cooler in the mid-summer heat.  

dd