Well I guess I need you college educated retired types to show me how it's done because as it stands right now (and I will use latin) they are suckee maximus.

I am pleasantly surprised with the bloucing garters you threw out. They work much better than I imagined. Extremely small light and compact. I got the elastic ones and I like them better than a velcro strap. I will probably just use them biking though since I'm going in with gaiters.