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Message started by bumabu on May 30th, 2009 at 11:19am

Title: Re: Automatic Gunfire in the Kawishiwi Triangle
Post by Riversend on Jun 5th, 2009 at 12:49am
Bumabu: thank you for posting what apears to be the current version of the rules on a BWCAW permit....I am more familar with the version of the BWCA permit that was issued roughly 35 years ago, back then there were only 10 basic rules to follow, and the explination of each was covered in a short sentence or less......now by what you posted, there seems to be roughly 18 or more rules the permit holder needs to be informed of?...Regardless, you state that the very 1st. thing the rules say is that they will be enforced by the USFS....well, I don't read it that way (The following are enforcable Forest Service Regulations, max penalty etc)....to me the judge, not the FS enforces the rules..the Fed judges have ruled many times against FS law enforcement violation notices :o and have ordered the FS lawmen to reverse their actions in favor of the accused.

then in your latter post you state that gunfire was a lesser issue, and they were not delibertly trying to cause harm, and likely would not have :question.....then what was your complaint about, and did not the USFS come to the same conclusion by your report and the previous one.

the photo you posted of the other campers fire shows what apears to be very little wind and a large percentage of cloud cover., high  relitive humidities, cool spring nite temps. and sparse available fuels....possiably indicating a remote chance of wildfire between the fire grate and the lake. Just to add substance to my thoughts of your not being endangered by wildfire, I checked with the USFS today on what the actual wildfire indicators were on the following dates

May 17th.....Low
May 18th.....Low
May 19th....Low
May 20 th....no log entry...(I asked why :question...explination = "musta rained")

so, based on fire behavior predictions combined with with actual fire weather observations and  measured field fuel moisture componets, I guess the Rangers figgured a wildfire was a slim chance?

BTW, I didn't see a designated campfire size indicated in the BW permit rules you posted......is that something I may have overlooked?

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