Oh ya great, delete the post ... guess who everyone bitches at/about then! (Ya like I care.) Unfortunately, this thread needs to stay for the time being. I can move it or delete it but that would open a whole new can o' worms. Think about it from a few  different perspectives beyond your own. Hey lets dance!

This thread continues because I have the op's name and address on file AND because I expect, the outfitter does too. Duffers come and go you are all welcome to judge credibility and exchange rates by your own standards. Had this thread been started by a duffer it would have been deleted long ago. Personally, I'm still waiting to know the source for why fishing in the Q is down 20%.

The biggest eyebrow raiser for me here was the amount of the refund. Obviously that didn't cut it as it accomplished no meeting of the minds but then the only outfitter I've ever used passed years ago. His stuff sucked but his knowledge and experience will long be remembered and admired and I always stopped in just to say hi and see his paintings. He was an interesting sort and we had things in common.

jdrocks mentioned another thread cross posted (not here) about a deposit that got even more play. I have no idea what people think deposits are for. I always thought that was like a handshake. Seemed pretty cut, dried and smoked to me.

The one thing I do know how important my paddling time is to me and it took me a long time to realize why anyone would trust their trip to any variables they could not circumvent. That is the one reason I hate this new passport thing so much. My trip now depends on my ability not to loose this tiny piece of otherwise useless plastic crap.

I know how far NHHawk travels and his "I was this year's team leader, and I was responsible for organizing the trip" - spoke volumes to me as I'm in some odd virtual way feel gentlemanly responsible for this trip. You guys are my weather and the forecast looks stormy.

In any case, this thread helps QJ NOT. I'd be more than happy to delete it (with apologies to paw). At this point though, what it would take is both principles coming to a better agreement. And even once that portage was accomplished. There are still chilling effects to be considered.

Like anyone believes what they read on the internets. Tell some what they want or expect to hear and they gobble it up. It all presentation and there is no such thing as bad press. What would a #5 Google cost? Ya, it all depends on your perspective. How bout I simply lock this thread? If anyone has something new to say it could be spliced I suppose.

As long as I'm at it, I remember shaking some one's hand not too very long ago. He mentioned he thought he ought to man up one of these days. All show, no go. Hey I'm just saying that's what it looks like depending....

So for now this thread is locked. My offer to remove or move stands. I'd like nothing better than for it to go away. Your milage may vary. Just my opinion folks. (Ya like that matters.)