Those are very appropriate and interesting comments, travelinman.  And as one of those people who may not "belong" anymore, I will tell you this:  I am well aware of my limitations.  And if I have a crisis and someone is there who is willing to help me, I will ask.  But if no one is willing or able to help, or if no one is available, I am completely OK with accepting the consequences of what happens to me and my partner as we try to work it out on our own.  And I won't sue anyone, ever!

The expectation of rescue in the BWCA or the Q is not a reasonable one.  If it happens, I would be thankful.  If not, I guess I would try to do my best to accept the situation and deal with it the best I could.

If I die in the canoe country, or if Spartan1 does, God forbid, we will be in the place where we want to be.  And no one will be responsible for us being there other than ourselves.  

Now it is different with a church or scout group that is relying on leadership.  That leadership should be prepared to provide safety (PFD's, appropriate clothing choices, gear, first aid supplies, etc.) and at least a reasonable amount of backwoods wisdom before bringing a group of young people on a trip.  And of course the group should be within the size limits of park rules.

I agree, this is a good thread. Lots of food for thought here.