Travelman I got it...IT IS WHAT IT IS...follow....dont think that U are a crabby person or anything of the sort-get that you have your ideas-agree that being unprepared gets one what is deserving and the other stuff-but one has to acknowledge the lack of control, perfection, and such that is life. Nevertheless...I am glad that I was there for those people on Alpine...and kudos to you for looking upward...for those dead falls-the boy gets that notion. And I did respond to your post on the thread :)