So, I was just thinkin'....About the folks that may not go back and read the thread, not that I am attached to anything in this situation but to the knowledge that may be shared through it. Let's see here. I to have experienced a fatality on trail, trauma type injuries from a falling boulder...not the leader of the group in question, but closely attached to the woman that died. Actually just came across the evac. plan drafted by my friend a few days ago, good plan for a bad situation, it was tucked away in a book years ago...but that is another story. I have had the experiences of folks that I was guiding brake a foot, brake a nose, have mental troubles on numerous occasions, burns-sun for the most part, and hypothermia on many occasions-one of which should have killed the twelve year old...Listening or the lack there of, both to the self and to the colleague played a roll in all of them is some way or another. Here's is to all the things that we dont know we dont know, and more importantly to be open to them! Novice, beginner, those are just as dangerous as being an "expert". Expect the unexpected.