Even on arctic river trips you'll find active river gauges, firerings, abandoned cabins, trashed canoes, monuments built to people who died, old fishing lodges, prospector's staked claims,,,,,it all tells a history,,,doesn't ruin the experience for me,,,,take the same place in Q but visit it on the last edge of the paddling season and it's wilderness, or go solo instead of with a group.

Mother nature holds the cards, just think of Katrina. But I guess it's any place I see nature has done most of the work and is slowly reclaiming what was done by man. I don't mind finding old logging ruins and such,,,,hate the TP flowers growing on overused campsites though. Not really hung up on some utopian concept of wilderness,,,heck you can't even go to the moon without seeing footprints. Put me in the S_D state of mind,,, I can pretend for a while.