kypaddler: thank you, i tend to be a little goofy in my posts sometimes ;D  Personaly I've enjoyed reading everybodys posts and enjoy every bodies perspectives witch ever way the go. When I camp I do it my way, and could (or is it couldn't ... :question) care less what anbody else does or doesn't do, as long as they follow the rules issued on the Forest Service BW permit when in the U.S. and likewise follow the Q rules when in   Ontarios' Proviential Park . Thinking about the differences between the 2, I've decided I may return to Q in the future, so I can enjoy the freedom to pick an undeveloped campsite of my own choice , where there is no established fire rings or flowering tp gardens. I enjoy pitching my tent or tarp upon an undesturbed carpet of moss or pine needles and cooking freezdried over a peak 1 stove or searing a venison loin over an open fire, depending what paticular mood strikes me 8-)   well: gotta go.......just got back home from a quick overnighter in the BW and decided to pick up a few supplies and head back out for a little longer jaunt :).. ain't life grand ;D [smiley=thumbup.gif]