I got a new Black Bird this year and I am trying to find the best way to stay warm.  Which is best putting the insulation under the hammock or in between the bottom layers or inside?
MagicPaddler

It will depend on what you plan on using for insulation. If it gets squashed wherever you put it then it will not be as effective. Down (or similar synthetic) is a great lightweight insulator but if you put it under your body and it gets squashed it's almost worthless. If you were to wrap it around the outside of the hammock down could work pretty well and pack up really small. Otherwise closed cell foam works well under body weight.

Now you're just baiting PJ with that thread title... :D

Believe me; yesterday I erased several posts that I had typed but somehow found the self control to NOT hit the "post" button.

KF,

That's an advantage of the Clark Jungle Hammock over the other type hammocks.  Several large pockets are stitched on the underside of the Clark.  I stuff'em w/socks, whatever, & the insulating power is pretty good.

Snow_Dog,

I, too, thought the thread title was PJ bait... at first.    I, myself, had comtemplated numerous other titles for topics I figured might just put PJ "over the edge".  Like PJ, however, I exercised restraint (but I'll keep them in my back pocket for amusement potential).  It's the old "encyclopedia vs. social forum" debate.  

Somewhere in-between lies glory-land for a site like QJ....

Jimbo   8-)

PS  So are your thumbs straight or do they curl backward, slightly?

The question was real but the title was bait.  Hope every one can laugh about it.
MagicPaddler

This happens every winter.  If you live in the northern clime's, by February we have been couped up for too long and looking for anyone and anything to talk too and anything to talk about with anyone who will listen.

So . . . . . . . . . when I'm done moving snow today, should I hang or hide the shovel?  Should I place it outside by the front door or should I put it back in the garage?  Should I shoot the squirrels that ravaged my bird-feeders or let them live, get fat and die of complications with obesity?


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It's the old "encyclopedia vs. social forum" debate.  Somewhere in-between lies glory-land for a site like QJ....

Well spoken.  I hope everyone can laugh at everything I post too.  Just because I think it's a stupid post or question doesn't mean that it is.  I mean, chances are that your post probably was stupid but  . . . lets call a spade a spade.  A brief skimming of QJ Forum history will clearly reveal that I am right almost every time and fully justified with any insult I might cast towards you and if you can't handle this fact, well, . . . . that's a "YOU" problem.  I also haven't had a grammar or spelling error in years and I NEVER post while intoxicated.

PhantomJug wrote on Feb 8^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

Should I shoot the squirrels that ravaged my bird-feeders or let them live, get fat and die of complications with obesity?

PJ,

It depends.   Do you have a decent recipe for squirrel?  

Of course, fileting squirrel looks like it could be a bit of a chore (I'd have to ask Mad_Mat about that).  Might be smarter to let them fatten-up a bit in order to make it more worthwhile.

Jimbo   8-)

P.S.  Just to be able to say I've said something "on topic", I should respond to Magic's original question:  I guess I'm an "outey", Magic.

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I mean, chances are that your post probably was stupid but  . . . lets call a spade a spade.  A brief skimming of QJ Forum history will clearly reveal that I am right almost every time and fully justified with any insult I might cast towards you and if you can't handle this fact, well, . . . . that's a "YOU" problem.  I also haven't had a grammar or spelling error in years and I NEVER post while intoxicated

And with all that being said, he's still a humble fellow  ;D

Thanks for the insults I worked hard for them.

Dont we all! The way I look at it someone has to entertain the poor fellow! ;)

I know after starting a thread with a title like this one I don’t deserve it but do you suppose any one could tell me how thick of closed cell foam it would take to stay warm on a cool (maybe 45°) night? Any one sleep on closed cell foam in a hammock?

MagicPaddler

Magic,

I used to throw a closed cell foam into my Clark's Jungle Hammock.  I actually did it to achieve the degree of the flatness you get with your Hennessey Hammock.  I don't see why you couldn't do something similar with your Hennessey.

Of course, if there was a fire overnight, you could have all-hell-to-pay in trying to get out of your contraption in a timely fashion since you access/egress from the bottom (versus from the top, as in a more civilized/functional style of hammock such as what I use).

The Clark may be more expensive than the Hennessey but - other than the flat sleeping - I'll take the Clark any day!  Frankly, the pea pod concept suits me better, anyway.  

Later,

Jimbo   8-)

wrote on Feb 8^th, 2010 at 6:26pm:

The question was real but the title was bait.  Hope every one can laugh about it. MagicPaddler

PhantomJug wrote on Feb 8^th, 2010 at 1:41pm:

Believe me; yesterday I erased several posts that I had typed but somehow found the self control to NOT hit the "post" button.

I hate it when they just nose the bait but never really take it.  It's why I like fishing with artificials better.  It was a worthy effort though, MP.

I voted for 2, 4, 6, and 8.  Might as well cover all bases.

wrote on Feb 8^th, 2010 at 6:26pm:

The question was real but the title was bait.  Hope every one can laugh about it. MagicPaddler

I didn't see my shadow the other day so spring must be near.

Magic, you made your bed... There is a hammock forum I've seen in my travels. In any case, this thread is now tainted so you're welcome to try your luck again with a more accurate title. I'd suggest the gear forum.

Since I'm not a swinger ... can you get closed cell pads thinner than 3/8ths? One thought is ground would suck more heat than the air. The other thought is hammock designers would have a better handle on that and would design/market in that general direction. What? No footprint?

I am not a swinger! But I am an inney not by choice. I run the same thermarest in the Hennesey as I do on the ground; that was my solve to this dilemma of the cold back/stiff as a board no footprint paradox.

I think you can get closed cell foam in almost any thickness, have you tried e-bay?  I use a big pool float which is bed sized and at least an inch thick.  It works for me because I can tuck it onto the bottom of my kayak and sit on it when travelling and it stays in when I portage.  Otherwise the bulk would be a pain  :P
My pad is very warm and waterproof too.  I have seen a lot of BLUE closed cell foam sheets, I guess they are for yoga?  I would think one of them tucked into the pocket outside would go a long way toward keeping you warmer.  They are less bulky and could be strapped on top of a pack or the deck of a kayak to carry.  

As far as OS's salty survey...my knowledge of PJ is not keen; and my perception is- this is just simply part of the journey, thank God it is entertaining! Now I am an Outey! ;)

Insulmat...it is a warm, inflateable sleeping pad, a bit pricey but seems to be a sturdy item.  I used one of these a friend had and was sold, and purchased one for myself.  Another idea from Solotripper: Use the waffle anti-slip sheets sold to pad dish closets and keep dishes from slipping on the shelf to keep your nylon things from slipping out from under you.  I thought that was a GREAT idea!  

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Another idea from Solotripper: Use the waffle anti-slip sheets sold to pad dish closets and keep dishes from slipping on the shelf to keep your nylon things from slipping out from under you.  I thought that was a GREAT idea!

Even a BLIND squirrel gets lucky once and a while ::)

Snow_Dog
I think we had them hooked they just got off before we got them to the boat.  My son calls that professional catch and release.

Db
This thread has been fun, each post is like picking from a box of chocolates, you don’t know what you are going to get until you dive in.  I will start a thread in the gear forum and speak to the hammock issue.