Oh Magic, one is never to old to learn new tricks; just have to learn the one that works for U to float the personal boat. Maybe I should have put a caveat with that shared technique of mine....an attribution of elfin dexterity. I must admit that I oogle over Big Agnes, nice gear, but I have limited myself to only their un-mumu like tents, oh Mrs. Claus,...the bags are bit heavy for my small frame. I will be sure to dawn my magic ears and hat when I get around to the forthcoming recording of the caveated technique. Been a little tied up with working out the particulars with a new lean plus one from CCS. Dry runs, testing, and in my case wet runs are always so illuminating are they; nothing like the backyard classroom. I am glad you are learning more; what fun, right :)