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Message started by old_salt on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 2:08am

Title: First Aid Kit Checklist
Post by old_salt on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 2:08am
I wonder if there is a doctor, nurse, EMT among us who could create a First Aid Kit checklist appropriate for 7-10 days in BW/Q/WCPP that could be cached like the Equipment & Clothing lists??  [smiley=dankk2.gif]

Title: Re: First Aid Kit Checklist
Post by happyjack on Jun 4th, 2010 at 2:42am
The first thing on the list should be proper training.  I encourage everyone who regularly participates in wilderness trips of any kind to take as a minimum a Red Cross wilderness first aid course and better yet the WMI or NOLS wilderness first responder course.  Without proper training you may not know how to use some of the items that will be suggested.
With only basic training the first aid kit described in the Boy Scout of America First Aid merit badge booklet would be suitable for most common injuries or emergencies.  Campmor sells several first aid kits.  The most expensive one is very comprehensive but probably heavier than what you want to carry.
I put together my own based on my own training/experience.  It packs into a 8"x6"x4" tupperware plastic storage tub with waterproof snap on lid.  I carry prescription antibiotics, benadryl, epipen, immodium, chewable peptobismol, suture material/forceps/scissors, local anesthesia, irrigation syringe, baby aspirin, latex-free gloves, rescue breathing barrier, surgeons hand scrub, sterile cling wrap, ace bandage, 4x4 gauze pads, roll gauze, mole skin, big triangular bandage, assorted cloth backed bandaids, and the one item I almost always run out of on group trips: 600 mg Rx strength ibuprofen. I put a sheet with copies of my training certification and RX's for the meds in the box too.  The anesthesia and syringes are not strictly legal, but with the certification I have and an explanation of where I am going, I have never had a problem.  I just make sure everything else I have or am doing is legal or I am sure a customs agent or ranger would nail me for it.  I'm probably forgetting something, this is off the top of my head.  But again, the most important thing you can carry here is knowledge and training of how to assess and manage emergencies.

Title: Re: First Aid Kit Checklist
Post by db on Jun 4th, 2010 at 7:09am
... nor do I play one on TV.

Do a few solo trips and I'll bet an ounce of prevention becomes worth it's weight in gold.

Speaking of gold, there's a tiny little dental fix it tube of stuff available that can be repackaged to almost nothing for when that new crown you've been putting off for years rears it's ugly head.

Don't forget the antivenom (Noxzema) for those that need it. Can you say comfort cream w/o laughing?

Title: Re: First Aid Kit Checklist
Post by marlin55388 on Jun 4th, 2010 at 5:01pm
A list of phone numbers for the proper authorities for the area your going to be in...speeds up logistics if the unexpected happens. Also the foam pack inserts, like in the GG packs, and webbing/cord makes a decent splint. Nex-care duck tape bandaids are the bomb. Superglue!, quarters, safety pins, poison ivy care, foot rot care.... :-/

Title: Re: First Aid Kit Checklist
Post by BrownTrout01 on Jun 4th, 2010 at 5:08pm
Great idea on using the parts from the pack if needed.

What are the quarters for? Pay phone?  ::)

Title: Re: First Aid Kit Checklist
Post by marlin55388 on Jun 4th, 2010 at 5:15pm
Yep on the 25 cents...Nols has a very good read on wilderness first aid that should be in all of our libraries...covers womens health issues too ;) Think about the logistics issues too....and how that ties into response time/evac time. Remember just because our public servants wear a badge does not mean they "camp", with a humble tone ;)

Title: Re: First Aid Kit Checklist
Post by happyjack on Jun 5th, 2010 at 7:19pm
One thing I forgot.  My wife "made" me do this for my first solo.  If you are going out solo get a set of dog tags made up.  Name, phone number, blood type, any allergies or other issues on them.  My first set was the ones from the machine in PetsMart because it was very last minute (remember the wife thing).  ;D  Then I got a "real" set later that I use a lot now.  Just a thought...

Title: Re: First Aid Kit Checklist
Post by old_salt on Jun 5th, 2010 at 8:16pm

marlin55388 wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 5:01pm:
A list of phone numbers for the proper authorities for the area your going to be in...speeds up logistics if the unexpected happens. Also the foam pack inserts, like in the GG packs, and webbing/cord makes a decent splint. Nex-care duck tape bandaids are the bomb. Superglue!, quarters, safety pins, poison ivy care, foot rot care.... :-/


While I suppose the pack parts could be made into a crude splint, that begs two questions. 1) Why not carry a SAM Splint, which is way cheaper than replacing a pack? 2) What are you going to carry your stuff in after you've cannabalized a pack?

Title: Re: First Aid Kit Checklist
Post by mastertangler on Jun 7th, 2010 at 12:09am
I think I might start slowing down a bit on the trails. I move along quick if it's flat ground.......... rocks, boulders, muck whatever.

What caught my attention was another parent at my kids ball game. She works at a hospital and asked me if I had heard about the woman dying (an unusual event in our small town). Come to find out the lady falls getting out of her car and fractures an ankle. A blood clot then moves from her leg to her lung (I think) and she dies. She was in her 30's. The nurse told me that such things happen more often than you might think.

Yea, I know it's kinda morbid. When you hear something like that though it does make you stop and think. My partners say I fly. Seems like my regular pace to me. But that may be my pace from a long, long time ago. It might be time to back off just a bit. I mean, I don't feel like I'm rushing or anything but maybe just a tad slower might be smart start to "preventive" first aid.

Hmmm......Preventive first aid :question Sounds fishy to me.  :-?  

Title: Re: First Aid Kit Checklist
Post by solotripper on Jun 7th, 2010 at 2:09pm
One item that saved MY Bacon was a small bottle of Oil of Clove.
You can find it in any good health food store. Pain relievers are fine but they have side effects if you use to many.

I lost a crown prior to my trip and couldn't get into seeing the dentist before I left. I bought a do-it-yourself dental kit and made a temporary one, but it didn't hold up very well.

As part of the kit, they give you a real small bottle of liquid painkiller. The main ingredient is Clove Oil. A little Googling and I found that Clove Oil is a well known and effective natural toothache pain  reliever that has no adverse side effects ( other than making your breath smell like a Easter Ham) ;D

Using a Q-tip, you rub in into gums and hold on tooth/open area. In a few moments the nerves are numbed and your good for hours.
I take the little dental kit but another Iodine size bottle of the Clove Oil.

If you ever had a bad toothache or broken filling, you know how bad the pain can be. This is a trip saver in a bottle ;)

Db's advice about prevention, especially when solo is right on.
I follow the Carpenter's Rule, modified for the outdoors. Measure twice, cut once. Or in our case, think before you act/step!

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