About six years ago just before I pulled the plug on the purchase of my MSR dragonfly I bought a Optimus....think it was a nova...the persuasion that snowdog is speaking of. Made it through one trip (a long weekend) as I was tearing it down after every meal to unclog the jet; the same fuel was running through the whisperlite without issue. The first stove I ever owned was an Optimus, a great simmer. I have a lot of hours on the MSR plastic pumps and they are without question bullet proof, even though they are plastic...

A good simmering stove has a method of fuel control reasonable close to the jet, like on the peaks, dragonfly, optimus, and snow peak giga wg. The msr dragonfly, optimus(svea), and the old msr firefly have a cone style generator/burner and that is what makes the noise, a good tried and true design but loud. The whisterlite/simmerlite and coleman style burner has a tube generator and burner design which quiets them down a bit; but the whistlerlite/simmerlite lacks the jet control near the jet (it is back on the fuel pump) so they simmer like doodie...good stoves but not simmers....lite weight and efficient water boilers...the snow peak giga white gas sorts some of that out...I just dont have the hours on it yet to know whether of not I can place it higher on my charts than the dragonfly...my dragonfly has been in service for over 250 trail days without any issue versus the 20 on the snowpeak...but I have hope ::)

12,000....any of these stoves will work...and a windscreen will make them more efficient and a heat diffuser will make them more user friendly-DD is right Back packer pantry has a nice one that goes with there outback oven, another fun and nifty gadget that requires a well simmering stove.