Thanks, good input. I actually did pick up a number of thundersticks so i'm asking after the fact here. I feel it was a was a compromise for sure as most of the hard baits i've used have been rapalas, and shallow divers at that. It's been almost exclusively soft baits for years now. For various reasons, my small collection of divers is but a shadow of it's former glory and to replenish with balsa is prohibitive (buying for 2). The ones i have have both types of trebles, maybe the mfg date or model make the diff. Didn't know it till now but storm is a wholly owned subsidiary of rapala and that's a plus for me at least. One annoying thing is that the box mentions "deep" but doesn't define. I know depth changes drastically with speed, line type and distance but i kinda like to see " 20' or 30' " on the box anyway. ok another look on the web shows these are rated 10-24 feet.