@mt... i happened to "stumble" upon the rapala website when she was sitting next to me and i may have said which color patterns would be effective where i fish ;)

@phantom, how does that sliver work? ive been thinking about trying one of those too (before i saw the new jointed deep hj). im pretty sure trolled you could get 10 ft pretty easy and 15 on a thin enough diameter super line with a bit more line out. jointed ones never seem to run as deep because of the drag and bend from the joint. but im confident you could hit 12' fairly consistently with them.