I appreciate the response. I'm primarily hoping to learn a bit more about efficient tripping and camping. High tech stuff does'nt really interest me much. Ideas on how,where,and when are what I'm looking for. I'm not new to camping,but canoe tripping is still a whole new world to me. I've been on half a dozen or so BWCA triips and am learning that there's a whole nother world up there. To be able to meet the challenges more comfortably,safely,and satisfingly are goals of mine. To be able to share some of the beauty with friends and family is as important as getting off by myself. Fishing is secondary,but that's just because I've had so little success. I like the simple primitive stuff. I used to be into black powder and still travel by motorcycle when I can.