Anyone have any experience with this product.  A few studies I seen that indicate its properties as a pain reliever?  Apparently, it also has trace elements of melatonin.  Thus, an evening drink of this might be a nice touch before turning in after a day of hard paddling.  It (two table spoons) makes a fairly descent drink mixed with an amble class of water, although some might wish to cut the tartness with a little sweetner. (Of course, I'd probably dehydrate the concentrate to a fruit leather that I'd have to re-constitute.) 

dd

30 cc's of Dalmore would work better

wally wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2012 at 5:41am:

30 cc's of Dalmore would work better

Well, 60 cc's might be more like it (closer to my normal daily consumption).

dd

Funny you should ask, i had 2 glasses of cherryrx.com last night. As to if it works on pain it's hard to say. For me not noticeable like 4 ibuprofin would be. Surprisingly i did get slightly sleepy during 3rd period of hawks canucks. what a game. Didn't even think about it but maybe that's why. i like the lack of sweetness. 

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I know a few people who swear by this for it's arthritic pain relief and overall health benefits.

I firmly believe that Natures bounty holds the key to curing/managing all or most of the illness's that plague mankind.
Even if you just enjoy the taste and it gives you a good night's sleep, the lack of nasty side effects makes it worth giving it a try.

dd,

Allegedly, the MN Twins pitching staff uses the stuff to reduce inflammation in their joints.  At least, that was what an avid baseball fan told me when we were discussing ways to reduce inflammation (in my case, related to sciatica).

I DID try it for awhile but was never convinced enough to keep buying/using the stuff.  It certainly didn't supplant naproxen sodium for me.

Can't say cherry juice - or anything else, for that matter - did much good for the MN Twins last year, either.  My theory is they were experimenting with sleeping pills... especially in the late innings.

Jimbo   8-)

Jimbo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2012 at 2:06pm:

Can't say cherry juice - or anything else, for that matter - did much good for the MN Twins last year, either.  My theory is they were experimenting with sleeping pills... especially in the late innings. Jimbo   8-)

They certainly did throw plenty of juicy pitches.

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I DID try it for awhile but was never convinced enough to keep buying/using the stuff.  It certainly didn't supplant naproxen sodium for me.

Jimbo ;D

One of the "drawbacks" if you want to call it that in using natural foods/herbs to remedy health problems, is that unlike pharmaceutical medicine which is the concentrated form of the active ingredient in medical herbs/foods, the natural product takes longer to work.

Not what you want to hear if your in pain.
However the natural ingredients that the drug companies take out are natures natural buffers that protect you from the nasty side effects most drugs have.

So it's a trade-off. Fast relief, possible long term problems or slower but safer on the system.
My friends in the alternative medicine community will use the drug equivalent of a natural product if the problem is so severe that it needs to be brought under control fast.

Once they get it down to a more manageable level, they wean their patients off the drugs onto the natural product. Just something to think about.

Unable to find any real science on it apart from anti-oxidants.  Smells like snake-oil to me.  Sometimes snake-oil works for some people.  If it works for you, enjoy!

When you say "real science", is that Western science/medicine your referring too?
Modern medicine is what 200 yrs old or so give or take?
Chinese/Hindu/ Native Peoples folk medicine has been around since the dawn of man.
Right now there are teams of experts from every medical field and drug company in the rain forests, consulting Native peoples on the healing properties of their traditional medications.

Just becasue modern science can't explain it, run tests on it doesn't mean it doesn't work.
They've been doing major surgery in China, including brain surgery using just acupuncture to anesthetize the patient. They ( the Chinese) are talking meridians of energy/chi, something which modern science can't measure and many believe is just snake oil medicine.

The native people of every culture have a rich heritage of folk medicine that they've used for centuries.
Some is based on the power of believe/ placebo effect, but much is based on herbal formulas past down for generations.

Even that pot you like so well has reputed medical effects although many western doctors don't believe it or the "science" hasn't shown it to western sciences satisfaction.

Western medical doctors know a lot of things but they don't know everything and the more enlightened ones are realizing that more and more everyday.

Ever watch the Dr. Oz show?
He has segments every show about the healing properties of foods and herbs that are now just getting modern medicines attention.

It's the ultimate in egotism to think that a system of medicine that is really just in it's infancy compared to other forms of healing is superior in every case or the other systems are inferior just because that so called "science" hasn't figured a way to study them properly.

DD, They were giving samples away at some Michigan XC ski events last winter 2010-11. I used it, but how can you really tell if it worked? It's not like you can separate your body left side and right. I can say I didn't feel real sore after the ski marathons I did and used it as a recovery aid.

Traverse City, MI is a big cherry growing area.

Tasted nice too.

I say go for it.

solotripper wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2012 at 6:36pm:

When you say "real science", is that Western science/medicine your referring too?

I do not believe that Western med has the only keys to the kingdom.  What it does have is the burdon of proof.  The ability to say what and how and to be able to replicate those results.

Much of the unregulated world goes by the spurious logic found in the shark cartilage for arthritis example.  Sharks don't get arthritis egro their cartilage must cure/treat arthritis.  Yeah.  Right.  Sharks don't have bones.

An unregulated industry makes all sorts of claims without any proof at all.  Not even the burdon of proof.

Modern science can explain it, if it does in fact work.  They just need to do a study.  So when they show me a double-blind study on tart cherry extract I'll believe it actually does what the study says it does.

I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm saying that I was unable to find any proof that it works.  The proof may be out there, I just didn't find it.  I'm not about to spend a lot of time looking for it either.  It's not my money.

solotripper wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2012 at 2:18pm:

Quote: I DID try it for awhile but was never convinced enough to keep buying/using the stuff.  It certainly didn't supplant naproxen sodium for me. Jimbo ;D One of the "drawbacks" if you want to call it that in using natural foods/herbs to remedy health problems, is that unlike pharmaceutical medicine which is the concentrated form of the active ingredient in medical herbs/foods, the natural product takes longer to work. Not what you want to hear if your in pain. However the natural ingredients that the drug companies take out are natures natural buffers that protect you from the nasty side effects most drugs have. So it's a trade-off. Fast relief, possible long term problems or slower but safer on the system. My friends in the alternative medicine community will use the drug equivalent of a natural product if the problem is so severe that it needs to be brought under control fast. Once they get it down to a more manageable level, they wean their patients off the drugs onto the natural product. Just something to think about.

ST -

I happen to agree with your thinking on this.  Tart cherry juice is slower but perhaps, in the longer term, more beneficial.  I simply didn't stick with it long enough to find out.

I also KNOW there can be some nasty side-effects from the naproxen sodium that I do use.  Interestingly enough, I've been just recently looking at other alternative homeopathic remedies for my particular ailment.  I don't doubt that I should give the cherry juice extract a longer run to determine its true efficacy.

As I recall, I may have been coming off of some masochistic bushwhacking adventure with Kingfisher - and, consequently, in considerable sciatic distress - when I ditched the cherry juice for a more immediate & potent remedy.

I do not doubt the wisdom of what you have said.

Jimbo   8-)

Beware of the abuse of 'natural' as having any real meaning.  Folks used to chew willow bark for fever & pain.  It works because it has ASA in it.  It's the same ASA that you'll find in Aspirin.  Your body doesn't know the difference, fewer splinters in your teeth.

Do you take vitamin pills?  They're not 'natural'.  They have been manufactured for a century.  There's no difference between the vitamin you get from a carrot and what you get from Flintsone's Chewables or Centrum.

Natural is often the worst way to treat the problem.  Uncontrolled dosage being the major issue.

That being said, eat fruit!  Eat lots of fruit.  It's good for you.  Chock full of good sugars and water and vitamins and fibre.

Well, here's my problem.  Due to other medications I have to take, NSAIDS and aspirin are out.  Acetaminophen is OK, but its not a very effective anti-inflammatory.  Synthetic codeine is also a good pain killer, but you can almost set your clock by my negative reaction to taking it (almost 24 hours to the minute after taking it anything on my stomach is coming back up).  So, my choices in this category are not particularly broad.

So, I've been looking for something that might fill that niche in my medical needs (but not necessarily something I'd take long term).  So, for example, if I know that I'm headed into the bush (where shoulders my get a bit more work and the back might let me know that I'm sleeping on the ground), I might ramp-up pre-trip and take it for the duration. 

As for research on tart cherry extract, much of it seems to come from universities in Michigan (go figure, since cherries are a major crop in Michigan!).  That leads one to wonder how "independent" the results are.  There also seems to be limited information of interaction effects between the extract and other medications.  (I guess I'll ask my doc about it next week since I already have an appointment.)

I used to do something similar when traveling to high altitude.  I'd take acetazolamide (a.k.a. Diamox) for a few days prior to ascent and for a few more at altitude.  Then I'd back out of it after the trip was over.  (But after a while I didn't bother even with that ... didn't really care for the side affects.)

dd

Nobody is advocating taking natural remedies that have little or no studies behind them or what the native People relied on Empirical Evidence. There are some snake oil things out there but a little research and you can easily find the ones that have withstood the test of time.

Double Blind studies cost big bucks. No drug company is going to spend the money proving something they can't patent and is available for cheap is as comparable or better than a drug they can make for pennies and sell for big money. Imagine if people could grow their own medicines in the backyard garden, that wouldn't do would it.

Even if tart cherry juice is just a potent source of anti-oxidants what do you have to lose as long as you don't go overboard with it?

All or most folk remedies that have proven effective over the generations are based on real science, even though at the time it was just the old if it works, try it again method.

Clove oil is the pain reliever in over the counter dental medication. You get a tiny little vial for big bucks compared to it's quantity. I got an iodine sized bottle of pure Clove Oil for cheap at the health food store.
Wouldn't go on a wilderness trip without it.

When my Dad was a kid, back in the Depression days on the farm, they didn't have medical insurance and the money for common injuries all farmers suffer. They would get a bad cut/boil etc, Grandma made a poultice out of stale homemade/whole grain bread and unpasteurized milk warmed and then put on the bread until it was like a mush. Wrapped in sterile bandage and put on the wound. Next day the infection was gone.
Why? This concoction made a crude form of penicillin, a wonder drug back in those days before the overuse of anti-biotic's made it necessary to find more potent drugs.

Sty in your eye? You rubbed it with a real silver spoon and it cleared up. Real silver is soft, rub it over eye and tiny amounts of silver get in eye. Silver nitrate is the main ingredient in over the counter sty medicine.
Do a little research about natural remedies and you'll find that more often than not, they have a natural ingredient that when isolated and distilled is the main ingredient in prescription medicine.

That's why herbs/natural things take longer to work, there not as potent. They also don't have the nasty side effects most prescription drugs have, unless you abuse them.
One thing to remember, herbs are drugs. Natural doesn't mean that you can take all you want without consequence. If it says 3x a day with meals, you treat it like you would prescription medicine.

For all Western medicine's expertise and knowledge, every year they pull supposedly safe drugs off the market, becasue even after so called double blind studies and millions in R+D, they're found to do more harm than good.

dd, It's smart to ask your DR if there's a possible problem with taking that tart extract. He may or may not know enough about natural products to give you an answer. I know your better half is a yoga instructor and I would bet she knows people that are knowledgeable about that kind of thing? After all it wasn't that long a go that Yoga was considered some weird practice with no physical/health benefits. Intelligent people now know that couldn't be farther from the truth.

solotripper wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2012 at 10:30pm:

dd, It's smart to ask your DR if there's a possible problem with taking that tart extract. He may or may not know enough about natural products to give you an answer.

Actually, my GP is a young lady.  I listen, but some times she is a bit narrow in her thinking ... but after all, she is not too long out of med. school.  But then, I've known her since before she was an MD or married.


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I know your better half is a yoga instructor and I would bet she knows people that are knowledgeable about that kind of thing.

Hmmmm.  Would you like to guess who came home with a bottle?

dd

I have bought it by the quart at fruit stands in Wisconsin. It taste good but watch out for the sugar. It will sometimes crystalize in the jar.  If it is heated it will return to a liquid.

Hey, Jimbo, I've got some serious lower back issues ,too,complete with a lot of arthritus. Running cold water on my lower back at the end of my shower really helps alot temporarily...seems it reduces the inflamtion and gives some much needed relief from that bulged disc pushing on the nerve. Standing in the shower with the cold water pounding on the small of my back often allows me to straighten up and re-establish reasonably normal back geomitry. I'm no doctor.  I've been to Mayo Clinic with this back pain issue and gone through a good amount of therapy. Acceptance of the way your back has come to be and proper exercize and stretching are all you can really do. Propper nutrition has to be a component,but maintaining the "core" strenghth to carry your upper body(and the "loads" you put on it) seems to be the only real solution. Excessive ibuprofen use worked until I ate a hole in my gut. A couple of shots and beers can do the trick,but care must be taken there ,too. Long walks (a couple of miles),on smooth-trip free surfaces,where you can use proper body mechanics, helps me loosen cramped up back muscles and get back to a healthy upright position/posture.    I,ve only had gout (an arthritus form) once,but cherry juice cleared it up by the next day. I guess something in it breaks down the uric acid crystels in the swollen joint...there's probably some similar anti inflamitory action happening with other joint swelling. Excessive stresses no doubt set up reactive responces in the body that can be helped nutritionaly,but it seems to me that back alignment would be mostly  a structural deal. Keep in mind that pain is only an indicator light on the dash board.   ...maintanence may be required more frequently on high mileage vehicles. Not too many people I've met were at all happy with surgery, and be aware that that has become an industry.  ...best of luck.

knafelc,

Thanks for the advice but I guess each situation is a little different.  "Walking" actually aggravates my problem.  My sciatic nerve "pinch" is most pronounced when I stand erect (a bone spur locks into a bad place).  That & any serious pounding my feet might do both inflame what little shock absorber material that remains in & around the disks in my lower back are the main culprits.  Running is actually slightly easier for me due to the slightly bent posture (less pressure from bone spur).

You're right about core strength & upper body strength helping matters; I work on both almost everyday.  Even though I am heavier than I've ever been, I can do more (legit) pull-ups than I've ever done in my life.  Even so, I still have bad days the best exercise I am able to do (and I ALWAYS do at least an hour & one-half per day) is on a recumbent stationary bike.  After a few days doing non-standing exercise & enough doses of Aleve, I generally recover enough to go back to regular routines.

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Hey, I DO have a personal story on "natural" healing processes that might be worth something to someone out there.

So, many years ago I came down with the absolute worst case of Planters Warts on the bottom of my feet that anyone has ever seen.  Many dozens of the doggone things on both feet.  I tried pills, ointments, & about every non-prescription remedy available at the drug store.  Then I went the doctor route.  More pills, lotions, etc... everything short of surgery.  Then I bust my ankle playing basketball and the podiatrist convinces me that, since I laid-up anyway, I should let him just cut the danged things off.  So I do that... and nearly bleed to death (but that is a separate story that my wife tells better than I do).

So, I do ALL of the above but the ugly things STILL come back and in greater numbers!  I felt like a 13th century plague victim & began wondering if maybe the warts were the first stages of leprosy or something worse.

THEN, somebody steers me to a nationally-known dermatologist.  I repeat my saga of woe to him.  He say "Hmmmm..." and scratches his beard in meditative thought.  "Those are the exact same things I would have tried", he says.  "Looks like we've got to go with Plan B."

The doc calls his nurse into the office and asks me one simple question: "Are you allergic to poison ivy?"

My simple answer was: "Hell yes!"

He replied, "Good!"  Then he instructs Nurse Jane to "grab the brown bottle", which she does & hands it to him.  Then the doc starts lathering my feet with this dark brown fluid.

"What's up, Doc?"

"I'm giving you a very mild case of poison ivy, young man."

"The hell you say!" says I.  "I get that crap really bad!!"

"Well, that's probably a good thing and, yes, I am," he states & proceeds to inform me that - in about 50% of the cases - persons who are allergic to poison ivy will LOSE THEIR WARTS when their body deals with the poison ivy.  "We don't exactly know WHY it works but it does often work," he concludes.

About one week later my warts - the plague of my life for 2-3 years - were completely gone.  They have been gone ever since.

Moral of the story: if you have a bad case of Planters Warts, consider going straight to "Plan B" on your own.  You might just save yourself a $200 doctor visit by simply walking barefoot through a local patch of poison ivy.


Jimbo   8-)

I live in Michigan and our economy is in the tank...so I say drink up!  Every little bit helps.   ;)

Actually, I have used it in the past and quite frankly came to enjoy the taste.  Personally, I'm not a medication guy and just prefer things to be less processed.  At the time I started using it, I was having issues with my knees.  I used it for pain relief and reduced imflamation.  I didn't feel better right away,but with consistant rehab and a bit of time, I haven't had a problem since. I run 4 days a week, which isn't so good on the kness.

As a result, I can't say that it was the Cherry Juice, the rehab exercises or the supplemental ibuprofen.  It was probably a combination of everything. 

So if your doctor doesn't have a problem with it, why not try it?  You might find something that really works for you and our farmers will be grateful.

DentonDoc wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2012 at 9:09pm:

As for research on tart cherry extract, much of it seems to come from universities in Michigan (go figure, since cherries are a major crop in Michigan!).  That leads one to wonder how "independent" the results are.  There also seems to be limited information of interaction effects between the extract and other medications.  (I guess I'll ask my doc about it next week since I already have an appointment.) dd

Since a lot of scientists make their money by debunking what other scientists have declared you're likely in good shape.  Hooray for science and peer review!  With budgets & funding going the way they have it's dog-eat-dog out there for the smartest & most educated people in the country.

Yow kazowa!  Guess I'll have to stop playing doctor on the TV...hope things get better.

Jimbo wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 7:02pm:

The doc calls his nurse into the office and asks me one simple question: "Are you allergic to poison ivy?" My simple answer was: "Hell yes!" He replied, "Good!"  Then he instructs Nurse Jane to "grab the brown bottle", which she does & hands it to him.  Then the doc starts lathering my feet with this dark brown fluid. "What's up, Doc?" "I'm giving you a very mild case of poison ivy, young man." "The hell you say!" says I.  "I get that crap really bad!!" "Well, that's probably a good thing and, yes, I am," he states & proceeds to inform me that - in about 50% of the cases - persons who are allergic to poison ivy will LOSE THEIR WARTS when their body deals with the poison ivy.  "We don't exactly know WHY it works but it does often work," he concludes. About one week later my warts - the plague of my life for 2-3 years - were completely gone.  They have been gone ever since. Moral of the story: if you have a bad case of Planters Warts, consider going straight to "Plan B" on your own.  You might just save yourself a $200 doctor visit by simply walking barefoot through a local patch of poison ivy. Jimbo   8-)

Jimbo, you really need to work a pollyhumper into that story somehow.  ;)

I find it humorous and creepy that the ad that appears at the bottom everytime I access this thread is for tart black cherry extract.

Solotripper, can you work "nubile" into this thread a few dozen times so we can see what else pops up?  Depending on what it is, that could be a poor choice of words...

Hey buy one get one free! Funny thing is ads are rather personalized. Freaks me out sometimes too. I blame it on where certain computers have been.

Snow_Dog wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 9:59pm:

Jimbo wrote on Mar 23rd, 2012 at 7:02pm: Jimbo   8-) Jimbo, you really need to work a pollyhumper into that story somehow.  ;)

Snow_Dog -

WHERE THE HECK DO YOU THINK THAT AWFUL CASE OF WARTS CAME FROM?

Jimbo   8-)

P.S.  Lucky I still have my foot left after that harrowing encounter....

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Solotripper, can you work "nubile" into this thread a few dozen times so we can see what else pops up?  Depending on what it is, that could be a poor choice of words...

"Nubile", Tart Cherry Extract?
Sounds like a all girl Punk Band  ;)

In all seriousness, taking alternative medicines ( foods/herbs) isn't something you do without some diligent research. Most but not all have a long history and there effectiveness is well documented.

For those that think only double blind studies by real scientists are the Gold Standard, remember their the same people that convicted the FDA to put many of the drugs on the market that were later pulled after they were found to be dangerous and even life threatening.

I'll take my chance's with things like Tart Cherry extract any day over hyped drugs from a drug company with the list of possible side effects as long as your arm :o

Nope.  Still getting joint relief and tart cherry extract ads.  More nubile, please!  ;D

I check with my doctor today ... I should be good to go with tart cherry extract.

She also mentioned that I might try turmeric (yes, its the seasoning sometimes associated with curry).  It is also supposed to be a pain reliever (however, I'd already ruled this one out due to its documented interaction with blood thinner medication).  Interestingly enough, it appears that turmeric is more readily absorbed by the human body if it is used in conjunction with pepper.  So curry up everyone!!!

dd

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She also mentioned that I might try turmeric (yes, its the seasoning sometimes associated with curry).  It is also supposed to be a pain reliever (however, I'd already ruled this one out due to its documented interaction with blood thinner medication).  Interestingly enough, it appears that turmeric is more readily absorbed by the human body if it is used in conjunction with pepper.  So curry up everyone!!!

Turmeric is a well known pain reliever and is also good for use a blood cleanser, removing toxins form the body.

My boss at work is a black gal. She has had problems since her teen years with boils in her armpit area that usually pop-up turning her monthly cycle. So severe she was getting them lanced/drained on a regular basis. Doctor tried all the conventional medicines and even put her on some steroid stuff which had nasty side effects and made her sicker than hell.

  I talked to my good friend who a Licensed Acupuncturist/Herbalist out in LA.
He was sure there was a herbal treatment for boils. I did some Googling and found out that for centuries Turmeric has been used for this, both ingested and made into a paste and put on the boil/cut to ease the pain and draw out the infection.

She went to health food store and bought some Turmeric pills in the dosage the web site recommended.
That was over a year ago and she hasn't had a boil since! Ya, I know where's the double-blind study.
All she knows and cares about is that she's boil free and the Turmeric has no side effects other than a new strange craving for curry. ;D

ST - You should get a raise!

prouboy

Puckster wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 3:13am:

ST - You should get a raise! prouboy

If it was up to her, I would get a big one ;D
Anyone that has ever had a boil, knows how painful it can be. Imagine getting them in your armpit area every month and still have to work everyday. She a tough gal.

Neat stuff about turmeric!  We cook with it frequently.  Oddly Mrs. likes a lot of the components of curry, but not curry itself.

I hope she doesn't suffer complications like cancer or iron defficiency or gallstones or miscarry or bleed out during an operation.

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However, as curcuma is known to inhibit blood clotting, it should be avoided for a two week period prior to major surgery and not used in conjunction with blood thinners such as warfarin and Plavix. It is also known to aggravate gallstone problems.
In vitro and in vivo studies suggest that curcumin can have carcinogenic effects.
More recently, curcumin was found to alter iron metabolism by chelating iron and suppressing the protein hepcidin, potentially causing iron deficiency in susceptible patients.
there is still some concern medicinal use of products containing curcumin could stimulate the uterus, which may lead to a miscarriage

Herbs are medications. Like any "drug" I don't advise anyone to take them without clearing it with their doctor.
She has and the doctor and her discussed the dosage and possible side effects.

I would strongly urge anyone not to self medicate and talk to their doctor. You can find reams of info on-line and since Dr's are not trained in Herbs/Healing foods, I'd download and print out some info to share/educate your physician so your both on the same page.

It depends on your doctor.  There are all kinds. 

Mrs. has one that's trained in Western Medicine who also uses holistic methods where reasonable.  The two are not opposites, neither are they completely incompatible.

Mine is more entrenched in Western Med, but accepts that his patients may choose other options.  He also outlines the details, known and unknown.  He doesn't judge.  He just provides the info and monitors the patient.

My 95.5 year old father is big on taking lots of vitamins, minerals and trace elements.  Since he was 93 he's been taking blood pressure and cholesterol meds...result of finally being shaken up by a mini-stroke which luckily had no lasting effects.  He was always big into vit C and E and after 65 began to take a lot of the other reputedly good vitamins, etc.
Anyway, he almost NEVER has an ache or pain and has not had any serious health issues beside high BP.  He is still plenty active for his age (walks a mile daily and often takes his own fishing boat out for a day of fishing) and is also still very sharp and alert mentally.  He swears by the vitamins and his doctors tell him what ever he is doing seems to be working and he should keep it up. 
Some holistic friends of his often discuss the detrimental effects of a diet high in processed wheat and sugars and the balance of acid/base level of one's overall system.  They blame a lot of aches and pains on being "out of balance" chemical wise within one's body. 
I agree that more attention should be given to the natural foods and ways one can keep their body healthy as opposed to modern "medicines".   :)

Vitamins are modern medicine.  That bottle of One-A-Day isn't full of carrots & apples.  They're synthetic.  Vitamin A is made from acetone, nail polish remover.

I believe it wasn't to long ago that they came out with a study that said most vitamins, especially multi-vitamins do little if any good and that getting your vitamins from you diet as nature intended is the way to go.

Many supple mets tell you to take them after you eat a meal. The reason being that in the process of digesting you food, the vitamin has the chance to break down and get absorbed along with the nutrients in the food.

Nothing is perfect 100% in all cases. What works for one, might not for another. Keeping your doctor in the loop is a good idea as well as doing everything in moderation.

Well said ST.  Always involve your GP, they exist to monitor your overall health.

DD, I had a visit with an orthopedic surgeon yesterday. There was a discussion about the healing process and two thing I wanted to share.

Anti-inflammatories inhibit the bodies ability to repair itself at the cellular level. In this case it was better to use the prescribed narcotics for pain, not IBU.

The surgeon had arthritis patients that swear by Tart Cherry Juice.