Thanks Jimbo, a little follow up on the stove: On the senior stove, a cake pan of at least 8 !/2" will fit the base of the stove. I have tried a configuration of one cake pan (right side up) holding the stove and fire and a second cake pan directly underneath (upside down). My idea with the second pan was to insulate the ground from the heat of the fire. Didn't work worth beans, scorched and killed the grass underneath. Maybe the way to go is with only one pan and support it with stones or sticks or something. I do know that if you set the one pan on anything combustible it will sure enough catch fire. As I say, a work in progress.
For me the whole reason behind the stove was to have some way to have a small controllable fire under my tarp on those days when the rain just won't let up.
Best Wishes, Rob