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The whole liner and water proof issue surprises me.  I've never used more than a pack and plastic liner - the heavy clear vinyl ones outfitters often supply - and never ahd a problem - including a dump in white caps in October - 40 minutes from shore.  (My lack of wearing pfd  was clearly partially offset by the very bouyant packs.)  Everything inside was bone dry.

October, white caps, 40 minutes from shore and NO pfd :-?
Now that surprises me :o