Thanks guys. Right now when I go car camping I use an outdoor lounger/lawnchair pad and sleep better than at home.( And we have a "good" mattress)  Obviously I can't trip with that. I do pile stuff up under my knees to straighten my spine and that does wonders. Someone told me K.Callen has a gear review on YouTube that goas on about the Exped stuff   (Thanks for turning me on to that,DD). Right now I'm thinking the ThermoRest large 2inch Trek+travel or thier 4season NeoAir might be what I need to stay in the game. I appologize if I seem whiney.  Thanks for the help.