more on topic, however, i use spoons occasionally, shorter heavier little cleo spoons for casting from shore and longer flutter spoons for trolling behind jets/dipsys. i never put anything like a dodger/flasher in front of them, but always made sure they had glow tape on them. i also only use them when i have someone else in the canoe with me and they are using a rattling crank bait. something to make noise. thats my 'attractant'