I recommended these to a father-son duo that wanted me to take them in with my son on this last trip a week or so ago. They both put holes in the pants from just normal usage around camp and paddling. The Toggs were on sale at Joe's (Maplewood in MPS) for 20 bucks. I didn't think they would hold up but at least the father-son duo wouldn't be out a lot of cash for one-trip raingear -- which we ended up needing. I had some over-the-boot waders which I completely destroyed on one 7-day trip into the Q last May. Just sayin'