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Message started by db on Sep 14th, 2021 at 11:53am

Title: Forest Service enacts food storage order in BWCA
Post by db on Sep 14th, 2021 at 11:53am
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"Proper food storage can be done by using a bear canister or bear-resistant container and placing it 50 feet away from the immediate camping area, or by hanging a food pack at least 12 feet above the ground at all points."

I've modified my first two links in this thread from my comfy chair.

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Title: Re: Forest Service enacts food storage order in BWCA
Post by Mad_Mat on Oct 13th, 2021 at 11:52am
a week or so ago I got an e-mail with pictures showing a bear vault that had been chewed open in the Bdub - bear had chewed thru the lid, taking out a pie shaped wedge and a bit of the polycarbonate barrel rim also.  Not sure if the bear had actually gotten any food out, but it could have.  From the pictures I could see that they had not tried to smell proof the can.

I paddle with a lot of people and I am the only one I know of who smell proofs their bear can - I always line the can with two layers of trash bags with the tops twisted and rubber banded shut, in addition to the packaging.  Leaving  anything with food smell is just an invitation to trouble, whether the food is in a bear resistant cannister or not - getting frustrated with one of those may make the bear check out your tent.

Title: Re: Forest Service enacts food storage order in BWCA
Post by solotripper on Oct 13th, 2021 at 1:38pm

Mad_Mat wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 11:52am:
a week or so ago I got an e-mail with pictures showing a bear vault that had been chewed open in the Bdub - bear had chewed thru the lid, taking out a pie shaped wedge and a bit of the polycarbonate barrel rim also.† Not sure if the bear had actually gotten any food out, but it could have.† From the pictures I could see that they had not tried to smell proof the can.

I paddle with a lot of people and I am the only one I know of who smell proofs their bear can - I always line the can with two layers of trash bags with the tops twisted and rubber banded shut, in addition to the packaging.† Leaving† anything with food smell is just an invitation to trouble, whether the food is in a bear resistant cannister or not - getting frustrated with one of those may make the bear check out your tent.


  When I did my DIY food barrels which are NOT a substitute for real bear cans, I decided that food odor was something I could control.

  All my food is repacked into zip lock bags sans their cardboard boxes where applicable.

I line each 5 gal food barrel with 2 of these. I twist seal each bag. I think that makes a big difference.

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Title: Re: Forest Service enacts food storage order in BWCA
Post by Magicpaddler on Oct 14th, 2021 at 10:15am
Do ziplock bags stop bears from smelling food?? If I put a ham sandwich in a  ziplock I canít smell it but can yogi? A test I do is put moth balls in a bag and set it aside for an hour or two then try to smell it.  I can smell mothballs in a ziplock. The bags that beef jerky or dried fruit come in is a different story. I donít know about Clad Trash bags. Maybe solotripper can tell us.

Title: Re: Forest Service enacts food storage order in BWCA
Post by solotripper on Oct 14th, 2021 at 11:52am

Magicpaddler wrote on Oct 14th, 2021 at 10:15am:
Do ziplock bags stop bears from smelling food?? If I put a ham sandwich in a† ziplock I canít smell it but can yogi? A test I do is put moth balls in a bag and set it aside for an hour or two then try to smell it.† I can smell mothballs in a ziplock. The bags that beef jerky or dried fruit come in is a different story. I donít know about Clad Trash bags. Maybe solotripper can tell us.


† Zip-Locks are just part of a multi-layer system.
Most of my food is pre-packed store food that I mix to make one-pot meals. I leave the food in the plastic bag (if it comes in one) and just scrap the bulky box. Then into a zip-lock bag and then in those 2 Glad odor control bags.

Those food buckets have a waterproof twist on lid.
I would think if something is waterproof then it would be odor-proof as well ( coming from inside)?

I don't have a vacuum bag machine. I might get one down the road. I think if you re-packaged all your food in vacuum bags plus the zip-locks, you'd be pretty secure.

† I don't know for sure but I suspect that bears that go after those dedicated bear cans are attracted to them because of food odors on the OUTSIDE of the barrel not coming from the inside?

† How many people clean fish, wash the fillets then wipe their hands on their pants? How many people get food on their hands then handle the bear cans?

† I think my current system is pretty secure. If I get a vacuum machine and don't handle the food buckets with dirty hands it would be about the best I could do.

† Of course the first time a bear gets my food this all goes out the window down shit's creek!† ;) ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Forest Service enacts food storage order in BWCA
Post by HighnDry on Dec 15th, 2021 at 7:09pm
I'm still taking a blue barrel fwiw.

Title: Re: Forest Service enacts food storage order in BWCA
Post by Gavia on Dec 19th, 2021 at 2:09pm
My dog (an Australian Shepherd) was strongly food-motivated.  Ziploc bags didn't slow him down.  Neither did the Bear Vault with the lid not quite tight.  But when I closed the Bear Vault completely he ignored it.  These tests were done with extremely aromatic and tempting beef jerky.  So I'd say that keeping the outside of a Bear Vault odor-clean should do the trick.

I have some OPSacks (Odor-Proof) but haven't tested them, since the dog is no longer around.

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