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 10 Chemistry 101 (Read 13167 times)
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Chemistry 101
Dec 19th, 2005 at 2:14am
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So.... Planning is underway for the next trip? Maybe there's a new face in your group this year? We used to get together as a group about this time and start plotting who would be responsible for what items on the trip. There were a few of those times when I started thinking.... oh boy.... "This isn't gonna be pretty Yacky".
What early signs do you guys pick up that start you thinking "it's going to be a great trip", or.... "we may not hit it off so well"? And if you see some potential clashes, what can you do at this part of the adventure to head them off?
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Re: Chemisty 101
Reply #1 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 11:00am
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I have tripped with the same friend for 5 years and we have agreed it would complicate things if more people are involved and we both prefer a quiet journey.
After 5 years of stories and pictures there are a few more interested parties. How do you say no to your wife and a couple of friends without offending someone?
The wife thing is easy, take 2 trips this year!
As far as the others I will let them handle their own trip, permits and transportation. We will travel together, sort of, but not be bound as a group. It just always seems the same person ends up doing most of the work (or at least thinks he does).
                 Jeff
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 12:39pm
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Dang, thought it was a chemistry question!

We are picky about who we ask along on a trip.  For us, a canoe trip is like going to the moon:  Once on your way you're pretty much stuck...Any personality conflicts ought to be sussed out before the trip starts.

We tell friends stories of our trips, show pictures, wave our hands frantically, and they are usually interested until they find that it involves some effort.  That shortens the list dramatically.  Then, of the few who continue to show any interest we consult on who we'd like to come along.  Some folks would be a disaster in the woods (at least with us.)    Usually what stops them next is the availability of vacation time.  The final hurdle is "Do they snore? (or are they indifferent to others' snoring?)"

Stumpy's travails with his crew for the BWR come to mind on being ambushed with a contrary attitude in the midst of a trip.  For us, that would be an invitation to tie that person up and leave him on a rock. Shocked
  
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Re: Chemisty 101
Reply #3 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 12:56pm
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2006 holds in store my first trip into Quetico with my brother!!!  This will be his first trip and so it is up to me to be the fearless leader.  Jimbo's story of getting he and his brother lost, and the fear of his brother pummeling him keeps flashing through my mind.  Like Jimbo my "little" brother is much bigger than me.  He is 6'4" 260 pounds.

The only thing that makes me feel comfortable at all is that I can out run him, and probably out paddle him.  The only problem is that he'll always be right behind me since we'll be paddling the same canoe.

With all that said...I can't wait!!!
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 1:24pm
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The way I "weed them out" is to force them to read accounts of my trips (some of which are posted to the QJ "Campfire Stories" page).

If THAT doesn't scare'em off, I figure they might be worthy or, perhaps, nuts... which at least promises to contribute an amusement element into our trip's chemistry.

Frankly, others have used the same tactic to INCLUDE me in their plans.  Tripper's account of his long solo absolutely captivated my attention & led to our hooking up for a trip.  Likewise, I have another trip planned for July with QJ members whom I've never met.  I've read their trip reports, stories, & comments on the board.  Helps me get to feeling like I "already know them".

BTW, I've come up with a potential solution to the "snoring factor", at least as it pertains to me.  This Xmas, I am somewhat confident of finding under my tree a new, fancy "hammock tent".  This will effectively allow me to deploy myself WELL out in the woods.  Heck, I might even be serving as our party's "first line of defense" with respect to scaring bears & other unwelcome critters away.

Almost as good as bagpipes, eh?

Jimbo   8)

  
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Reply #5 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 1:34pm
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More like Chemistry 401.

Why would anyone even consider going on your trip with someone who's character, abilities or attitude would be in question?  Unless you are a camp counselor or a guide, why take that chance?  You spend long hours planning and thinking about your trip and doing what you can to eliminate potential problems or at least semi-control the elements.  The weather and other "natural" occurences keep us on our toes enough - why bring a moron?  If your life was suddenly placed in his or her hands, could you count on them? I agree that camping should be fun but it is by no means easy - especially for the beginner.  That's what I think organizations like the YMCA, NOLS, B/G Scouts and Outward Bound are there for.  I wouldn't consider carrying a gun and go on a remote hunting trip if I didn't have some prior education on how to hunt, use a fire arm or stay alive (or keep someone else alive) just like I wouldn't jump into a remote canoe camping trip w/o some prior education and experience.

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And if you see some potential clashes, what can you do at this part of the adventure to head them off?


Don't invite them.

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Almost as good as bagpipes, eh?


Well, not quite.
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Re: Chemisty 101
Reply #6 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 3:09pm
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Being as such I am driving 1100 miles just to get to the BWCA... I am particular about who goes with me.  While I love to go and will do the majority of the work, including cooking and cleaning etc...  I do appreciate help!  Criteria include, willingness to work and pull their load, can stand the elements (ie, cold, heat, mosquitos, black flies), knowledgeable about canoeing and camping, loves to fish, won't get home sick, and can get off of work when I can.
   Many of my friends are married with children and have to take family vacations and due to work can't take off an additional 8-10 days for a BWCA trip.  That is why I am probably going to do a solo this summer the last week in June.  Being a school administrator, I am off work from June 16, until August 1 this summer... My wife and kids have gone with me in the past, but this summer are opting for a Florida vacation while I am in Educational meetings in Orlando...  So solo it is unless I can find and break in a new partner between now and then. 
     Like Jimbo I am making arrangements to drive up a couple of days early to try and meet a friend on this board and paddle a couple of days before my entry date.

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Reply #7 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 3:30pm
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I have the luxury of going camping more than once a year and close enough so the travelling to get there isn't an issue.  I do take at least one trip yearly with 3 to 6 others.  Not close friends, but some have become closer friends over the years.  Last year went with an entirely new couple.  Generally no serious problems.  I try to find others with some camping experience already, so they understand what they are getting into.  I also try to determine if they are fit enough for the exertion.  We all take our own tents, be it in singles or couples.  So snoring isn't much of an issue. This gives you a quiet place to get away on occasion when you need it.  We also take 2 to 4 canoes/kayaks; again so we can do some things separately when the opportunity presents itself.  We try to divy up the camp work chores, if someone isn't volunteering, I am not shy about asking them to do something.  They are usually glad to have something to do and feel usefull.  It is easy to get caught up in the idea that since they are inexperienced they can't do it "right".  Who cares, they need the practice!  Sometimes they complain, but I have found those are the challenges they end up remembering and in some demented way fondly looking back on.  IC
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 10:34pm
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wait, arkansasman, you get off from june 15 - august 1 are you 10 mo contract? we work 12 mo in wi as administrators....hmmm, need to check out a different state...lol
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 20th, 2005 at 4:13am
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Stumpy's travails with his crew for the BWR come to mind on being ambushed with a contrary attitude in the midst of a trip.  For us, that would be an invitation to tie that person up and leave him on a rock. Shocked


Certainly, you would'nt have known this Twist Tie, but I'd rather not discuss what happened between my friend and I any further on this forum....other than to say this...
For more than 20 years, I could'nt have asked for a better canoeing partner. Several times we had done trips together, that were much tougher, than the Bushwhackers Jamboree. It just did'nt work out that time.


  
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