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Re: blue barrel size needed
Reply #70 - Apr 21st, 2010 at 7:23am
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I've always thought blue barrels were a misplaced attempt at being responsible; inconvenient at best, yet a step up from the norm. That said, I do believe Bart just made the most succinct pro argument for two 30's that I will ever see.

It gets kinda pricey that way though doesn't it?
  
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Reply #71 - Apr 21st, 2010 at 10:10am
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I like the two seat idea of the two 30's. If you go that way just make sure to pack them the same weight all the time or the pack will be a pain on portages.

BTW... I don't stash my barrel in the woods anymore, I strap it to a tree in camp & hang my pots & pans from it for an alarm system... as mentioned before they are NOT bear proof, but are scent proof. So unless a bear has found food in a barrel before it will not associate the barrel with food.

Just don't use it to cook on & I also agree that a stove is required gear... wouldn't consider a trip with out one.

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Reply #72 - Apr 21st, 2010 at 11:54am
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Woods Walker,
I'm with you on the blue barrel cutting down on a bruins interest level due to being airtight ("the eagle saw it, the deer heard it, the bear smelled it".........indian proverb) but to keep it in camp still raises the red flag for me, alarm system or not. A big determined bear is going to ignore you and your alarm. Been there, done that.

If that were my system I would set the barrel out of the immediate campsite, probably not far, and slap a black stuff sack over it. Of course it would look so much like a stump you would probably want a small strip of orange survey tape in the tree above so in those predawn morning starts you can find it easy.

(Instead of the survey tape I use a reflective "runners safety band" so my light hits it in the morning, attaches via velcro).

AND, you gotta have a stove. Bring it, you don't have to use it.
  
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Re: blue barrel size needed
Reply #73 - Apr 21st, 2010 at 11:56pm
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mastertangler wrote on Apr 21st, 2010 at 11:54am:
Woods Walker,
...but to keep it in camp still raises the red flag for me, alarm system or not. A big determined bear is going to ignore you and your alarm. Been there, done that...


Well the pots & pans are to wake me up, not scare a bear... I am a bear hunter, so I have dealt with them at bait stations & they are more scared of me then I am of them.... if it doesn't smell like food or look like food they loose interest fast when they get yelled at.... most can be scared off even when they are on a bait eating. Alot of the encounters are over-exaggerated.

I bring the barrel to keep my food & cook gear clean, dry & easy to get at. I have had more of an issue in the past with mice & chipmunks eating holes in food packs or food containers. The barrel fixes that.

Bears don't worry me much.

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Reply #74 - Apr 22nd, 2010 at 1:44am
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WW
Your mostly probably right. Ever since I read a few books on bears prior to heading into Glacier I developed a new perspective. I've had 4 close encounters including a blackie in Glacier which I had to convince to leave the cooking area. 2 were in canoe country which were habituated bears and were immune to yelling etc.

Your right on the button with odor control. If they can't smell it they don't usually mess with it. They are very much like a dog in that respect. The first thing your dog does every time you greet is to smell you and confirm it's you. A bears world is its sniffer. A blue barrel, if sealed properly, should reduce problems :question

While I'm not paranoid or fearful to venture into the woods alone (for several years I spent the fall and early winter months all day everyday off-road in the backcountry) I have certainly developed a heightened realization of their potential to cause problems. 



  
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Re: blue barrel size needed
Reply #75 - Apr 22nd, 2010 at 11:09am
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Woods Walker, you are right on the mark as to the real reason why we use blue barrels these days.  It really isn't bear control, (although we do separate the barrels at night to prevent total thievery) it is more to keep the mice and squirrels at bay.  Over the years, we have had more issue with mice chewing holes into otherwise good packs and spoiling food.  No more with the blue barrels.  I also echo your idea of a clean camp.  No dirty dishes at bedtime.  I don't want camp swarming with mice and other varmits (including bears) licking the plates, pots and pans.  

We use the blue barrels exclusively for food.  In camp, we have a mesh 'dish rack' that we use to hang and store washed dishes where they hang and dry and are easily accesible.

Anyway...
  
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