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Gear review - OTB Abyss model boots
Jun 19th, 2008 at 1:54pm
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Rating as a portage boot -   Excellent    a "10"  well worth the $115 price.

I used the Abyss model boot (similar in looks to a light hiking boot) for my 11 day trip this year, and they were everything I wanted in a portage boot.   Comfortable to wear, relatively light weight, easy draining, great traction on both mud and rock, and well made and durable.

OTB stands for Over The Beach - these boots were designed by a company that makes boots for the Navy Seals, and they use the same materials and technology.

When I put my boot on a rock or log and expected it to stay put, it stayed.  No slipping when I wasn't expecting to slip.  The boots have a great traction sole.  There are "nubbins" on the sole that are 1/4" high - in the mud of the portage trails, you could see that track, and see how much deeper the pattern was biting than other footprints on the same trail.

I bought these boots to replace a pair of Chota Quetico Trekkers I'd bought two years ago, which I was sadly disappointed in for performance and durability issues (there is a review thread I wrote on the QTs on here).  I had zero issues with the OTB boots, and would highly recommend them.

The only bit of wear I see on the new boots is where the heel and toe caps (rubber, wrapped around a long way to protect the toe and heel areas) rubbed against rocks on the portages.  Some of the threads (the rubber caps are both glued and sewn) show sighns of wear - I will coat them with a bit of epoxy, just to keep that to a minimum.

When I lifted my boot out of the water, there was a fountain of water pumping out from the drain holes in the top of the shoe, as well as from the holes in the bottom of the sole.  That was one question I had before using the boots.  With the large drain holes on the bottom, would the boot keep out the mud and grit?  It did, and grit or mud in the boot was never an issue.  There are two removeable foot beds (which I never bothered to take out - I just wore the boots till they were mostly dry) which keep the mud and grit from entering the boot, and the design of the sole keeps the mud from caking up in the cleates.

Since everything I like seems to disappear from the market, I will probably go ahead and buy a second pair to stash in my closet for the future.


otbboots.com, if you want to check them out.
  
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Re: Gear review - OTB Abyss model boots
Reply #1 - Jun 19th, 2008 at 6:43pm
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That's quite a line-up.  Too bad they're so steep but it looks exactly like what I was looking for.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 19th, 2008 at 6:49pm
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They are well made. I didn't use mine this spring, used the old high rubber boots. But I will be taking them to the Back next week.
I got them for when I expected to be wet footing it.
Sizing works great. With both insoles in, they fit with wool socks. Remove insoles, 1 or both, and they fit with neoprene wet socks.

M_M, thanks
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 19th, 2008 at 7:46pm
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They look extremely well made and considering the Seals use them, should take a beating?
 The Chota's are $100, unless you catch a sale, a few bucks more doesn't seem out of line.
 I see that they have a sale on a low cut model, the Tide.
I don't wear a high cut boot, so if your not concerned about ankle support, the low cut one might be perfect as a warm weather shoe or with Brookie Knee highs a cold water one.
 JJS, you'll have to report how they work on your trip to the Back, that should be a good test.
I like that they're made WIDE, and you can adjust fit as needed.
I have a wide foot and have to buy bigger ( longer) than needed to get a good fit, which causes it's own set of problems.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 19th, 2008 at 8:14pm
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I use a 10 in Chota footwear and a 10 OTB was just right.

M_M gave me some sizing info last fall.

S_T Removable insoles would give you a lot of sizing adjustment for a wide foot. One is thin and kind of a stiffener, acts like a steel shank??? But it's not metal, it has some flex. It would keep you from feeling sharp rocks underfoot.
The other is like a regular insole, the one I'd remove to use them with my neoprene wet socks.

Mine did NOT have the little pocket in the tongue to tuck the laces in. I don't know if it still looks that way on the website??
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 19th, 2008 at 11:27pm
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JJS,

I like the idea of the two insoles, and the extra flexibility.
I wish more sport shoe mfrs would offer the regular or wide widths or the insole options like the OTB does.
I learned a lesson about insoles the 07 trip. I like Teva brand water shoes, and every couple years I buy a few of the discontinued one's when the new models come out and get a real good price, from Campmor or Sierra Trading Post.
This trip I bought size 11, which with the Brookie Knee Highs usually works out just right.
Well turns out that the shoe I bought was narrower than normal and on the first portage, I knew I had to take out the insoles.
That worked well  the first few hard days of portages, but after awhile my feet really started hurting?
I finally realized that without the insoles, I didn't have a enough ARCH support and with the heavy packs and rough trail, my arches began to break down Cry
I did a little engineering and cut out the arch supports of the insoles and used them by themselves.
It took the pain away and made all the difference.
I won't make THAT mistake again Grin
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 30th, 2008 at 4:53pm
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A similar boot to the OTB Abyss:

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I have a pair of these, and i love them for anything i do on the water.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 19th, 2008 at 1:52pm
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OTB's worked great on my last cold water trip. Skinned out neoprene didn't have much of a evaporative cooling effect when the boots were wet. A 2mm NRS wetsock and a liner sock of NRS Hyroskin had about the same fit as a pair of smartwool hiking socks. I've got a pair of the discontinued Chota knee high wetsocks and they are thicker, about 3mm with a fleece liner. So I needed to remove one of the insoles to get it fitting right, left in the thin stiffer insole. I didn't take the Chota's on the trip though, just tested the fit. Traction on the wet river rocks was good, as was mud, grass, etc..

Good balance between ankle support and bulkyness, i.e. they still slid under a canoe seat OK while kneeling.

Probably one of those things you should 2 of incase they get discontinued too.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 19th, 2008 at 3:48pm
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JJS,
When you say discontinued Chota knee high socks/with fleece liner, are you referring too the Brookie Knee Highs? If so I didn't realize they've been discontinued?
Also, did you buy the OTB's the same size as the Chota's ?
I've always bought the water shoe a size bigger than the Chota, for a proper fit.
Sometimes this can be a problem depending on how the water shoe is sized.
If I understand you correctly, the dual insoles allows a more precise fit without sizing up from your normal size? Is this right?
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 8:00pm
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S-T, Chota Brookies gone. But Piragis bought up the last of them. That's where I got mine. Try Piragis in Ely, or Rutabaga's in Madison, WI. If not, don't worry. I think the NRS wetsocks system I talked about worked great. You'll get water over the top. But you've got enough neoprene to keep you feet warm in cold water and they fit the boots better. I fussed around with both systems before my last trip and liked the NRS wetsocks best. It allowed me to have both insoles in the boot for a thicker insole support for walking across rocks.

Chota 10 = OTB 10

Yes, OTB insoles allow for some sizing. Call them. They're very helpful over the phone. I sometimes go for an 11 so I ordered both a 10 & 11, planning on returning one. But a friend liked the 11, so it worked out great.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2008 at 10:53pm
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JJS,
Thanks, I can't believe the Chota Brookies are history Sad
I have 2 pair, I liked the first pair, I bought a second for back-up.
I get the NRS catalog, and so when Chotas are history, I'll give the wet sock a try.
I've gotten wet even with the knee highs, the main thing as you mentioned is that whatever system you use, it has too keep your feet warm in cold water.
Paddling all day with cold feet is a miserable experience!
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 22nd, 2008 at 10:11am
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if you're wetfooting (and going over the top) with a non draining neoprene boot system, use caution.

i just reviewed a trip report where one of the paddlers got a "trench foot" like condition caused by having his feet in water inside a neoprene boot every day. he was barely able to complete the trip and then missed two weeks of work when he got back in.

i've just been using the storms with a poly sock, including cold water spring trips. they drain like OTB and are warm when wet.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 22nd, 2008 at 10:07pm
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Change into camp shoes at camp. Then turn neoprene booties inside out and let the sun's UVs break down nasty stuff. I was worried about that problem too. Anybody got a better idea. I washed them after afew days too.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:26pm
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I've used the Brookie Knee highs and water shoe combo for about 5 years, and have put in some 10-12 days solo, and have never had a foot problem.
JJS is right about changing into camp shoes. The first thing I do in camp is string my dry-fly, then put some coffee water on, and last but very important, I change into dry wool socks and camp shoes.
I dry my feet before I put on dry wool socks, and use a little medicated foot powder ( Gold Bond travel size). Every night I turn my fleece booties inside out, and dry out the liner sock, or replace with clean dry one next morning.
On camp days, if its sunny, I'll turn the Knee highs inside out and lay out in the sun and that keeps any mildew from forming.
First thing they teach you in the Army is to take care of your feet, its been good advice for many years and still holds true, especially in wet conditions Wink
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 25th, 2008 at 10:13pm
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jdrocks, I like mine as you can read. Like to hear how NRS thinks they compare to what you had.
  
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I just ordered a pair of the Abyss boots.  My main concern is ankle support.  I have always used hiking boots mostly for the ankle support.  I had always shied away from the Quetico Trekkers as they didn't seem to provide as much support.  I am hoping the Abyss is better than the Quetico Trekkers in that area.   

I hate that they don't have 1/2 sizes, as I am right in the middle.  I ended up getting the size up 12's as I would rather deal with something a little big than too small. 

Thanks for the reviews and if anyone could offer something on the ankle support and sizing I would appreciate it.
  
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Reply #16 - May 31st, 2009 at 6:21pm
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Maverick,

Check out this discussion: Re: Portage Boot Recommendations
Reply #86 - 11/02/08 at 19:40:58

I'd work on the strengthening part. A wobble board or just the one legged balancing work-out will do wonders for you.
I've never worn real high boots either paddling or construction, higher than 6" at the most.
My portages shoes are all tennis shoe height, with Teva Water shoes being a big favorite.
Next shoe I need the OT's look like the right choice, but in the shorter height.
I like the interchangeable insoles for different foot volumes. I wear a 10 1/2 EE, and if I get to much length to get more volume, then my feet slide back and forth too much.
  
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"I hate that they don't have 1/2 sizes, as I am right in the middle.  I ended up getting the size up 12's as I would rather deal with something a little big than too small.   

Thanks for the reviews and if anyone could offer something on the ankle support and sizing I would appreciate it. "


OK -

I typically wear size 8, and depending on fit, will go with 8 1/2 if available.

I bought a pair of size 8 Abyss boots (on the advise of someone at OTB who I e-mailed or phoned, don't recall)  - I wear three pair of socks in them, a liner, a midweight synthetic, and a heavier wool hiking sock - that gives me a very snug fit, and some insulation.  When you get the boots, they come with some "modular fit" insole inserts, to customize the fit.  I do not use the additional set that they gave me, but could use them to "shrink" the fit if I wanted to.  They provide the option for use with neoprene booty type socks if you want to use them, or not.

I think the OTB boots give great ankle support - the lacing provides for a snug fit.  I also have Chota Quetico Trekkers, which if I recall , I bought a size nine as I had heard to go one higher on those.  The bungee lacing is way too loose, and started to come apart afer the second day or so - I replaced with parachute cord, but they still are a sloppier fit, even with the 3 layers of socks I wear.  They are cut a bit lower than OTB, and are not as padded around the ankle, nor as
supportive.  I wore them (chotas) a few weeks ago for a 3-day river trip with a bit of hiking, so my thinking is from recent use

I just finished my third Quetico trip with the OTB boots - did about 60 portages, and wet foot the landings - the boots are still as good as new, and haven't shown any sign of wear. 

I like the boots so well that I'm thinking of getting another pair to stash in the closet, just in case the company goes out of business, like has happened to so many products I have liked, that can no longer be bought for one reason or another.
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 7th, 2009 at 12:23am
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Thanks for the info. 

I received my Abyss boots a couple days ago and today I took them out in the rain to see how they handled.  I was just walking around my neighborhood, but I will say that I am impressed right away.

Regarding the sizing, they were just a bit roomy with my smartwool hikers, however, I have a thicker pair of smartwools that will fill them out.  I think I am happy that I went to the 12's.

Ankle support was good.  These boots get great traction on a slippery driveway, which is the primary reason I purchased the boots.  They were also very comfy.  I think I could go run a 10k in them, not kidding.  Much more comfortable and lighter than my hikers. 

I can't wait to try them out in Quetico in two weeks.
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 2:13am
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I just received my father's day OTB Abyss boots (a bit early) today.  They seem to be a good fit with medium weight work socks, I think I'll try a bit thicker smart wool as well.  My first impression is they don't have quite the stiffness (support) as my medium duty leather hiking boots. 

Now I just need a few slippery rocks to walk on...   

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Reply #20 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 6:26pm
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Just got back from 8 days in the Q with the OTB Abyss boots (paired with smartwool socks) and was very impressed.  They dry quickly and have great traction.  Honestly they may not provide as much ankle support as standard hunting boots, but I would clasify their ankle support as more than sufficient.  I was most impressed with the strength in the toe area.  Very durable.  As with all shoes, I would highly recommend breaking them in ahead of time.
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 4:41pm
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Also, The green Abyss are on sale.  They are only $49 from the OTB web site.
  
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I ordered a pair
  
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