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bigblue
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gear to take
Mar 10th, 2009 at 7:23pm
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hello all...

i will be heading up to Quetico this may with a friend of mine and his dad and some of his buddies ( they've been there many times before), and this is my first time doing something like this..... was just wondering what i should brind in terms of gear and such, i got some ideas but just wanting a little help from experienced people that have made many trips.

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Re: gear to take
Reply #1 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 7:54pm
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Here is a good place to start blue.  It's a compilation of gear from all of us "experienced" folks.  Where will you be going in Quetico?

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Reply #2 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 8:02pm
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 Click on the site map at bottom of page, and you'll find a gear maker list that will get you started.
 People choice of gear ranges from the bare minimum (even that is debatable), too the extreme in terms of comfort and convenience.
  I doubt ANY gear list would meet approval by 100% of the paddlers here Undecided
  IMHO, I would say you need as a minimum, two sets of clothes, 2-3 pairs of socks, a GOOD rain suit, 2 pairs of shoes ( paddle and portage/camp), a GOOD tent, a TARP that will protect at least a couple of people or more, a DEPENDABLE stove, a few fleece/wool garments to layer as the weather dictates. A GOOD set of maps/compass, BEFORE a GPS, although you can have that if you want. A water filter and First AID kit for the you/party. Enough rope to rig tarp and canoes. Some can get by with less, most of us take more. All depends on how hard your willing too work to take the extra items many like around camp Wink
 I'd get with the "old timers" that have been there before and learn from them.
 The general rule of thumb is that you can bring as much gear as you like, as long as YOUR willing to carry it and not pawn it off on anyone else Grin
  
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Re: gear to take
Reply #3 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 11:53pm
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You are joining a established tripping crew.  They have a way of doing things and you should try to fit to there tripping stile at least for the first trip. You need to talk to them and ask the following.
1 Where do I pack my gear ( my own pack or do we put more than one persons gear in one pack)?
2 How many trips across a portage do each of you do?
3 How many times will we move camp ( some where between every day and never)?
4 Do they have tent space for you?
5 Do we each bring our own food? Do I bring any food?
6 Do they set a weight limit or what did your pack weigh last year?
7 How many days do you spend fishing all day?
8 How do you keep your clean clothes dry.
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Can others help me with questions?

You will need to know the answer to these question to answer your question. For instant if they say they single portage you will need to slim your gear down to single ply tp because they will expect you to carry your pack and the food pack so they can carry the canoe and there gear pack.  On the other hand if they triple portage add a camp stool.

PJ’s suggested list is a good place to start.  Most people take too much. The best way to avoid this is to talk to the people you are going with. They know the type of trip they are going on.
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Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 1:04pm
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ditto to what Magic said - that's your start;  most likely, an experienced group will already have taken the stove, tarp, cooking gear and food into consideration (but double check that).  That would typically leave your personal stuff which may include tent, sleeping bag, sleeping pad, and eating utensils/cup/bowl - or that may all be part of the group gear.

PFD - you'll probably need to have your own, though a loaner will work if it fits properly.

Purely personal gear would be a complete change of clothes (double dry bagged - maybe in trash bag in a dry bag, or at least double trash bagged inside a stuff bag - I keep a small microfiber towel in with the clothes - if you need them desperately, you can dry off with the towel fisrt), one durable pair of portage boots, a second pair of shoes/boots to keep dry for around camp - should be good enough to portage in, in case pair A blow out; rain gear (good stuff, not cheap),
your toilet kt; TP, toothbrush, maybe a bit of biopdegradable soap, etc; a small first aid kit, including any medications you need (if you NEED them, then have a double set of meds, in two different packs) glasses? sunglasses probably, but if you need glasses or contacts to see, be sure to have spares as well; bug dope - double what you think you'll need, just in case; a good hat, and some type of spare hat in case hat A gets blown away; fleece jacket,
neoprene fishing gloves for paddling in cold weather, maybe a down vest packed away in case it gets really cold, or in case your sleeping bag isn't doing its job.  Typically, the last week of May could get cold enough to have frost, and could get colder - dress in layers - -  I go with polypro underwear (and a spare set included with your dry set - nice to sleep in if set A is wet or stinky), cotton chambray shirt with two button down shirt pockets for misc., polyester pants (Dickies work pants ) or nylon, somthing relatively quick drying is best, with one heavier shirt as a light jacket - either a wool shirt or a bug shirt; layered over that is a fleece jacket for around camp and early morning paddling (rare - the PFD and work keeps you warm enough), and rain gear as a final layer for warmth if needed.  Its nice to have a wool watch cap for sleeping in, and that could be handy if its really cold.
In your pockets - a compass, matches in waterproof container (at least double bagged in ziplocks) bug dope, maybe sunscreen, pocket knife - you can keep a lot of small stuff in a small fanny pack, or in the pockets of your PFD - but matches, compass, knife should be on your person at all times, regardless - I like a bandana as well.  If its hot, you can dip it and tie around your neck, or use it as a washcloth.

Add to the "must have" list above, whatever you need for fishing (we only bring one spare pole and reel for a group of 4 - depends on your group)

Booze if you want any and your group says its ok, possibly a few snack items though you should not pack them with your personal gear or keep in your tent.

Possibly some kind of chair or pad to sit on - a 1"x8"x15" garden kneeling pad weighs only a few ounces, and you can sit on it on the canoe seat if you want - strap/tie it on to the seat if you do that - drill/burn/poke a small hole to attach 4 foot of string to, so you can tie it to a rock or piece of wood to keep it from blowing away in the wind.

You might like to have a map of your own to see where you are going and where you've been - Friends of Quetico sell a reasonable map of the park (one side is about 1/4th of the park in detail, the other side is the full park at a larger scale - they are just about good enough to navigiate with)

A pack to put all that stuff in  - might be provided/loaned by the group, or not - you definitely need to knwo what volume you will have to work with.

That's what I would bring - heck, that's what I do bring.



added; to what you should keep in your pockets - a few lengths of string, maybe parachute cord - handy for tieing stuff to a thwart, or for small clothesline, or whatever;

and doh!  of course, a water bottle!
  
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Re: gear to take
Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 2:14pm
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All good information, but I guess I would have started with a few basic questions ... some of which have been mention and some are very obvious.

1) time of year
2) length of trip
3) trip style (daily move to base camped)
4) portage style (single to as many as it takes)

I put time of year as the initial question because to me it has more impact on how I pack than most anything else.  Since I frequently travel in early spring (e.g., mid-May), I carry substantially more clothing than for a late summer trip.  For early season travel, I don't take any cotton clothing (the only exception might be a bandana, but even some of those are of synthetic material).  There is only one major reason for this, they don't tend to hold water and will dry more quickly that other forms of clothing.  Being wet when its cold (e.g., right after ice-out) would not be my first choice and that is a HUGE reason for taking a "backup" set of clothing, even on a short trip.  Otherwise, you can wear your clothes as long as your trip mates can tolerate you. (However, I find I do sleep better if I'll at least do a rinse--if not a head to toe bath--during a 2-week trip.  I do try to do that on a slack-wind day when the temp's get out of the 40's.)

Along these same lines, I'm likely to take a fleece vest or early season warmth, rather than down.  Wet down takes a long time to dry and doesn't produce the desired effect when wet.

All this said, if I'm traveling mid- to late-summer, much of the synthetic clothing is ditched in favor of more confortable wear (e.g., a fair amount of cotton...especially t-shirts).

Keep in mind, these are personal preference ... but with some reason behind the choices.  Some folks are just find with blue jeans and cotton shirts whenever they trip.  But I'm just a dumb southern boy that takes hypothermia somewhat seriously.  (My "swim" on last year's May trip simply reinforced that a bit.)

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Reply #6 - Mar 12th, 2009 at 4:11pm
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I'll throw one idea out there.  After asking your crew about its tripping syle (which was a very good suggestion), break your clothes down into 2 parts:  the part that you know is going to get wet, and the part that you absolutely know you need to keep dry.  I find that confidently packing the clothes I need to keep me warm if the going gets tough in a sacrosanct, dry place allows me to generally pack much lighter.   

I would also be sure that your "wet" clothes dry quickly.

  
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Reply #7 - Mar 12th, 2009 at 7:00pm
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gfy_paddler wrote on Mar 12th, 2009 at 4:11pm:
 
I would also be sure that your "wet" clothes dry quickly.


May can be a wild time in the Q! Everything from rain and sleet, too hot and sunny, sometimes in the same day Wink
 Quick drying clothes, to my mind means SYNTHETIC.
All the major outdoor stores sell nylon fishing shirts and pants/zip to shorts, and fleece vests and jackets.
 2 sets of nylon clothes will do for a trip, the wash out easily and dry in a stiff breeze the same. There bug bite proof, and some even have the bug dope baked in them. Bass Pro shops have the cheaper ones, the higher end outfitters are a little more expensive.
 Fleece is great, doesn't hold body odors, you can wring it out and swirl like a towel, will retain 90% of its insulating properties when damp. Layer under a rain suit or wind shirt and they'll keep you warm below freezing. I take a fleece vest/ 2x 100 wt fleece 1/4 zip pullovers/fleece hat/ fleece sweatpants for camp, or on real cold night, I wear fleece top/sweatpants for PJs. Think layering. Goose down can't be beat for weight to warmness ratio, but if you get it wet, your screwed.
 Check the Campmor link for some cheap/quality fleece, I bought the aforementioned items from them Wink The Campmor brand rain gear is excellent as well.

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Reply #8 - Mar 12th, 2009 at 10:01pm
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Solotripper likes fleece and so do I. I have a hooded fleece sweat shirt that I use frequently.  On cold nights I use it as a night shirt.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 4:24pm
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Look to keep all items small and multi-purpose if possible.  I have a girl friend who drives me crazy by bringing the full, maximum size, shampoo bottle from her bathroom...you only need one or two dollops of shampoo for the whole trip!  Another fellow on his first trip brought a big hardcover computer book, several magazines, a radio and his rechargeable shaver.  He used the radio, but the rest never got used, had to be dried out once when he turned over the canoe, and he never found the time to read a page, much less a book.
I usually bring a small book, like a paper back, but still hardly ever get a chance to read.  One camper girl friend of mine brings a paperback she doesn't care if she brings home, she rips the pages out as they are read and always has a little paper to start a fire.
I would bring your own pack as opposed to sharing a pack with someone else.  This avoids packing hassles and bad feelings if your stuff gets wet and you think it's the other person's fault. 
It is absolutely imperative that you have a dry set of clothes in reserve for emergencies; and as said previously just knowing you have them as a back up allows you to spend all day in cold wet clothes if necessary and you can save yourself once at camp for the evening.  Wink
  
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