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Reply #10 - Mar 22nd, 2009 at 2:10pm
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Go to your bulk food store and get a big jar of cayenne pepper. Powder that barrel with it every night. I don't think a sensitive nose would like that. Like a bear spray, only cheaper and more proactive.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 22nd, 2009 at 9:29pm
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Interesting, Jacobson warned against doing that very thing -- dusting stuff with pepper powder --  during his lecture at 'copia!  He said bears don't like pepper spray, for sure, but black bears get used to it, and actually like to lick pepper off things.  He said grizzlies and polar bears never get used to pepper spray.  He said he's seen black bear lick pepper spray that was sprayed on canoes...go figure.  So his advice, don't practice with it...use it only to ward them off. 

I think everyone has a system...whatever seems to work.

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Reply #12 - Mar 22nd, 2009 at 10:58pm
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I've said this before but I'll say it again...the best defense against bears is to be careful with your route and campsite selection.  Stay out of areas known to have problem bears and check each potential campsite carefully for bear activity.  This is easier to do in Quetico where there are fewer problem bears and (usually) fewer problem campers who may have stayed at a site before you.

Beyond that, I prefer to camp on smaller islands (less reason for a bear to even bother to check it out, unless he's learned there is sometimes food to be had), out on the tips of long peninsulas with lots of open water around, and avoid necked-down areas where bears might choose to make an easy crossing of a lake.  Bears can and will swim, but prefer to walk.  Take advantage of that.

Other than that, keep a clean campsite, fillet fish away from camp, and seal up your food.  I don't have too many illusions about odor these days.  Odor-proofing isn't bearproof, but it can't hurt.

As you said, prouboy, whatever seems to work.  Proving a negative is hard..."bears can't find my food if I follow [insert your system here]".  It's like trying to prove Martians don't exist.  Just because we haven't seen any isn't any kind of proof at all. 

Study the "enemy" and know his habits.  Design your system around that, knowing nothing is foolproof.  It works until it doesn't work.  You're never more than 2 days away from civilization so you won't starve.  You just might have to end a trip early due to another of the many hazards in the woods. 

Life is a calculated risk.  It goes much better when you know more variables in the equation.
  
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Re: Bear-proofing camp....Jacobson's references
Reply #13 - Mar 22nd, 2009 at 11:39pm
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I agree with you Snow_dog. 

I have been traveling in canoe country for over 20 years, and last year was the first time I encountered a bear.  By no accident, it happened on BWCA's Polly Lake...definitely the kind of high-use area that grows habituated bears! 

One bear in over 20 years...not a bad average.  Largely I think because I've spent most of my canoe time in Quetico, Woodland Caribou, and Wabikimi. 

I thought it was unfortunate that Jacobson, in his lecture at 'copia, never alluded to this fact. The room was packed.  Obviously the idea of bears and the fear of bears is a big draw, and sells books.  To his credit, Jacobson did say the only bear issues he's had have been in Skaskatchewan, or was it in Manitoba? (I'm not sure.)

I used to work with a black bear scientist, who liked to tell people that they have way, way more of a chance of being killed by bees than by bears. 

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Reply #14 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 5:10am
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Actually islands, especially the smaller ones in spring are bear magnets since that's where moose like to calve. The one that ate my gas can had an earlier fight with a cow over her calf.

After their argument, she saw me and stopped only long enough for her calf to catch up didn't care one bit I was standing on the path and just kept coming. She walked around my tent and right through the middle of my campsite, calf in tow. I just scrambled to get out of her way. She kept an eye on me with a wild look I'll never forget.

The bear followed them until it found me and decided to try his luck on something smaller. He didn't give up so I left the island and went a couple hundred yards to the closest mainland to repack and have breakfast. As I began unloading I see that darn bear swimming right towards me. So I load up again, grab a few rocks and paddled out for a meet and greet assuming he couldn't catch me in the canoe, I made it as unpleasant for him as possible. He had a bad morning overall. Tongue I figure I gave mama moose an hour or two head start.

Anyway... I walk around a lot. Dug up ant hills occur just as frequently on islands as mainland in my experience. I came across a shredded green pack on Rawn and a blue pack on Lookout Island (Pickerel) once and that's in the middle of nowhere. I think they don't really care how they get where they think a meal might be waiting.
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 11:15am
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I hear ya, db.

We all have our systems that "work".  None are foolproof.  I know bears do go to smaller islands, but it's been my experience that they visit those campsites less frequently than mainland campsites (unless there's something yummy on the small island to draw a bear there...)

We just all have to find a spot on the risk-reward curve that makes us comfortable and that is where we camp, system-wise.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 1:50pm
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Now I remember, too much fun reminiscing... I've had three other instances on mainland where just letting 'em know I was there, got one out of camp as I returned and the other two just kept on moving. Neither came back to my knowledge.

As a human that applies human traits to all creatures, if I were a bear that took the trouble to swim out to an island, I'd be harder to shoo, considering I'd have to swim all that way again on an empty stomach with nothing to show for my effort.  Cheesy
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 7:11pm
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Left out of this discussion so far (I think) is mention of cooking.   I don't think it matters too much how well you have smell proofed your food storage, if you are base camping and cooking up bacon in the morning and fish in the evening.  Really strong odors like that are going to be a bear magnet for any bear downwind a mile or two.

An educated bear is going to know that there is good stuff in that camp, somewhere.

standard advise for camping in Grizzly country - cook dinner, clean up, then move on a mile or more and then make camp for the night.  Wonder why?

basically, except in the case of a problem bear like that one on Polly, its mostly a matter of luck that bears aren't all that numerous, and mostly, aren't in the same place at the same time we are, so any system will work for the most part.

Never had a bear in camp in Q, but have had issues with portage robbers a couple of times - those bears just know that there is food in one of those packs, in one of those canoes, and if they don't smellfood, they will keep looking anyway.

  
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Re: Bear-proofing camp....Jacobson's references
Reply #18 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 8:08pm
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Mad_Mat wrote on Mar 23rd, 2009 at 7:11pm:
Never had a bear in camp in Q, but have had issues with portage robbers a couple of times - those bears just know that there is food in one of those packs, in one of those canoes, and if they don't smellfood, they will keep looking anyway.


All good thoughts, starting with the basics of a clean camp.
I worried about the "portage robbers" my first solo, double packing leaves the food pack vulnerable, and taking the time to hang it, didn't seem very feasible.
 Being a inventive type guy, I bought a personal safety (jogger) alarm and adapted it for a pack alarm. As IC will attest, its very loud and shrill. At the size and weight of a deck of cards, its worth it for a little extra piece of mind. Would be good for emergency signaling device, NOTHING in nature sounds like that, so should attract attention?
Attached to the food pack, I can't imagine ANY critter being able to tolerate its high decibel screech right in its ear Shocked
 IF it could, it must be old and deaf, and needs the food far worse than I do Grin

  
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Re: Bear-proofing camp....Jacobson's references
Reply #19 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 8:31pm
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Puckster wrote on Mar 22nd, 2009 at 9:29pm:
Interesting, Jacobson warned against doing that very thing -- dusting stuff with pepper powder --  during his lecture at 'copia!  He said bears don't like pepper spray, for sure, but black bears get used to it, and actually like to lick pepper off things.  He said grizzlies and polar bears never get used to pepper spray.  


Good thing, far more dangerous.

PB, Thanks for the info.

I do more like what S_D says in practice. Just thought the cayenne idea would work. Never tried it.

PB, Did Cliff mention Bipolar bears. I hear they can be unpredictable. Grin
  
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