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Reply #30 - Apr 12th, 2009 at 10:45pm
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Bear Attack, showing Easter Sunday night at 9pm on Discovery Channel.
  
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Reply #31 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 6:01am
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A bit of a twist on this......

I had the good fortune of a Moose hunting trip in Alaska with some college friends this year.  We were 5 miles into the mountains, and a long day's tredge through swamps and mountainous terrain from the trucks. 

The biggest issue throughout the week were the 3 dead moose we had hanging in game bags by day 4.  There were definitely Grizzlies in the area, and the MN contingent (which consisted of 2 out of 8) had some serious concerns about what might happen.  The weather was sufficiently cool to age the moose well, but I was amazed we didn't get any big, brown grazers in the 8 days we spent up there.

To make matters even more sketchy we often got back from field dressing moose around 1 am.  We would eat "dinner" and head to bed.  I was never comfortable with the lack of clean-up that was done (dirty pots sitting in the cook tent), and expected to wake up nightly to find myself with a bed partner who was looking for more than a good cuddle.

I have to say I would never be this brazen in the BWCA, or ever again in AK, for that matter.  With grizzlies within a mile or two from our camp, I can only think:

1.  We were INCREDIBLY lucky
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2.  These bears didn't yet associate us with food.

Maybe the dead carcasses sitting in the bush helped, but we didn't see any sign of feeding on those either (with the exception of some very satiated ravens).  The closest we came to large mammal "danger" was the pack of wolves that patiently waited, and howled, just a few hundred yards away as we field dressed our second moose early in the week.

Maybe we have some of Cliff's luck, but I wouldn't trust it again.  Sleeping that close to bear spray and a .44 isn't something I care to repeat in the future, and we plan to work on this parties cleanliness and habits on our 2010 trip.
  
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Re: Bear-proofing camp....Jacobson's references
Reply #32 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 8:19pm
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BH,
 From everything I've read or seen in PBS specials, I would say you guy's were more than lucky than anything else Shocked
  I guess the idea of being in a large group with weapons makes some people feel "safe".
  I'm guessing the bears had a another kill or something that kept them occupied?
  I think I'd invest in a Bear Fence for camp, or at least the Sleeping tent area? A clean camp is more than a good idea too.
  IF a bear decided to come into camp at night, having 8 guys running around and possibly shooting would really be a bad scenario.
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Re: Bear-proofing camp....Jacobson's references
Reply #33 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 2:09pm
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Hi, folks. 

I'm new to QJ, but wanted to says thanks for taking the time to provide your thoughts re bear-proofing.  I've been fortunate to be healthy enough to canoe in the Northwoods for 35+ years and have seen a bear only once.  It was actually on my very first trip (1973).  I was 13 at the time and was canoeing with my next door neighbor for several days on Moose Lake.  I witnessed a bear near our camp run across a creek...looked to be chasing after a small deer...only lasted a few seconds, but I still have the vivid memory 35 years later.

Anyway, for the past 10 years or so, I've always kept a fairly clean camp and ground my gear and food pack, even having the food pack with me in the tent at night sometimes.  Instead of bear spray, I carry a small air horn (the kind used on boats or at sporting events).  I figure a good blast or two of this would frighten any bear aiming at my pack.

Now, after reading on this topic in various forums, I'm beginning to wonder if I'm just being stupid....or perhaps ignorant and just lucky....so far.

Is the air horn a good choice?  Can it replace the need for repellant?  Maybe use both? 

Is it ridiculous to even think about keeping the food pack in the tent?

Thx, again.

Pine-knot.
  
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Re: Bear-proofing camp....Jacobson's references
Reply #34 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 2:21pm
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pine_knot wrote on Apr 21st, 2009 at 2:09pm:
Is it ridiculous to even think about keeping the food pack in the tent?


Yes.

Losing your food would be bad.  Losing your tent and risking serious injury or death would be worse, IMHO.  Bears aren't real good with zippers.  Can you really find that air-horn that fast out of a dead sleep anyway, presuming that it even works as you intend?  You probably won't know about the bear until your tent's been ripped wide open and he's standing on top of you (quite possibly literally right on top of you  Shocked).  I think that would be a poor way to test your system.

I do like the air-horn idea, though, as a scare tactic.  I just wouldn't want to put it to use in tight quarters.  No telling what sort of reaction it might provoke if you were within a bear's reach...and in a prone position to boot.
  
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Re: Bear-proofing camp....Jacobson's references
Reply #35 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 4:00pm
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I've been lucky enough not to have a bear in camp (so far as I know) since I started paddling Quetico in 2002.  However, I've seen bear on three separate occasions that were close enough to where I was camped that they could have easily made the trip ... 2002, solo bear on Kawnipi; 2004, sow and cub on Burntside; 2008, solo bear (2 separate sightings of "same" bear) on Suzanette.  While not sighting bear on other trips, I will generally find recent paw prints or scat on portage trails.  So, I'd have to classify your lack of bear sightings as being "unlucky."

Since I sometimes travel solo and I also backpack in the Rockies, I've been carrying bear spray for probably 15 years.  I've yet to upholster it, but I prefer a deterrent to an annoyance (sound device).  I've seen a number of films where bear spray actually dissuaded Brown bears (Grizzlies).  

I also keep a clean camp and I'm also a confirmed hanger (multiple pulley system).  I'm not even comfortable with chapstick or toothpaste in my tent.  

So ... I'm mostly with Snow-Dog on this one!

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Reply #36 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 4:07pm
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I carry both bear spray and a sound device, its a jogger alarm that I rig my food pack when portaging and its out of sight, and also is in my tent at night.
IF I was lucky enough to wake up to a bear NEAR my tent, I would probably pull the pin and set off the alarm (loud like a smoke detector).
IF I woke to the bear ripping into tent, I'd probably take a deep breath, close my eyes and hit him with the bear spray point blank in eyes/nostrils. Hopefully he/she would leave, and I could make it to a water source to flush my eyes Cry
Having said this, I would still go tripping IF none of these modern devices existed.
 Being a solo paddler, my worries are probably a little different than a tandem/group traveler?
 IF the bear would kill me with a quick blow or bite to the neck, that's one thing, my fear would be that he/she would maul me so bad that I couldn't travel, or signal for help.  Laying wounded in the bush waiting to die or having the scavenger waiting in the wings isn't something I want too experience.
 There are different types of bears as most of us know. The camp bear who recognizes humans as a meal source, and the rare, but dangerous, rogue male (usually), who sees US as the meal.
 You can chase the camp bear off with rocks/sticks/noise, at least temporarily, but the rogue bear isn't going to be deterred by a puny human with a rock or stick.
 IF your unlucky enough to be attacked by a bear like that, you better be prepared for the fight of your life. Nothing beats a clean camp, food away from camp, and personal awareness, but for a little "insurance", I don't mind lugging a little extra firepower.
 I'm a BIG believer in expecting the best, planning for the WORST Wink
  
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Re: Bear-proofing camp....Jacobson's references
Reply #37 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 5:58pm
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I'm sure you meant 'un-holster', but I did get a pretty funny mental picture over Quote:
I've yet to upholster it
.   I was thinking maybe a nice brocade like on a couch....

What are folks doing in the burned over areas? Hard to hang food - short of finding a handy cliff.

  
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Reply #38 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 7:58pm
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Mister_Bubble wrote on Apr 21st, 2009 at 5:58pm:
I'm sure you meant 'un-holster', but I did get a pretty funny mental picture over Quote:
I've yet to upholster it
.   I was thinking maybe a nice brocade like on a couch....

Maybe I was reflecting back on a test where I got a little "blow-back."  Yep!  I felt pretty upholstered! (I'll take tear gas any day!)

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Re: Bear-proofing camp....Jacobson's references
Reply #39 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 8:30pm
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I'm sure you weren't laughing when it happened, DD, but that would have been really funny to witness   Shocked  Grin

...and thx for the previous advice on bear-proofing
  
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