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Reply #20 - May 7th, 2009 at 12:40pm
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I paddled this rout last Sunday.  The river was up so the current was a little stiff.  I paddled up stream about 4 miles then up a creek almost to 91St.  I could see the power line tower that was in the parking lot where I used to park my car when I raced at Santa Fe. In one of the other creeks I paddled up I caught a northern about 20” long. 
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Reply #21 - May 8th, 2009 at 5:47am
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Magicpaddler !
You ARE the man !
-Paddling odd creeks in IL, and catching pike !
-Bushwhacking through Quetico !!
-Racing at Santa Fe !!!!!!....who'd a thunk it ?

I took a few dates there...lots of fun....but race there ?...not I.

Amazing !
  
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Reply #22 - May 9th, 2009 at 7:08am
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Reply #23 - May 10th, 2009 at 2:39pm
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Anybody in the Chicago area racing Des Plaines 5/17 or the Aluminum Nationals 5/16 next weekend?

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Reply #24 - May 10th, 2009 at 5:50pm
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Well I had a blast yesterday with MP, Stumpy, and his daughter Sarah. MP showed me his hammock and tarp setup and his new food pack hanging rig that weighed in at just over 2lb's with three pulleys and cord. Stumpy showed us his egg packing technique before we hit the river. The woods and ravines above the river are quite beautiful and full of life. My birding ID is somewhat lacking, but I noticed what appeared to be a gnatcathcher and a scarlet tanager in the morning. I had spent a few years working on some surveying projects at IC and for 355 some years back, and enjoyed the chance to see the area from a different perspective.

While MP and Stumpy have different paddling styles, it is apparent both of these guys are quite adapt with their individual crafts. The thing that really struck me however, was Stumpy's daughter Sarah who seemed to be enjoying herself at least as much as the rest of us. She didn't miss a chance to get out of the canoe and explore the shoreline. All kinds of interesting things were found throughout the day. The cormorants, great blue herons, turkey vultures, and red tail? hawk are a few birds I remember seeing along the river.

Thanks again MP for taking the time to set this up, I really enjoyed talking and paddling with you guys. Nice area to explore too.

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Reply #25 - May 10th, 2009 at 9:41pm
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"his new food pack hanging rig that weighed in at just over 2lb's with three pulleys and cord."

  I'd like some more info on this, maybe a pic?
I use 3 pulley rig. To get it down to 2lbs, I'm wondering what size and kind of rope your using?
  
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Reply #26 - May 10th, 2009 at 9:59pm
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BrownTrout01 wrote on May 10th, 2009 at 5:50pm:
MP.... his new food pack hanging rig that weighed in at just over 2lb's with three pulleys and cord.


Magic and I discussed this at some length with Magic's engineering and physics experience teaching me quite a bit. As a result of our campfire classroom I reworked my bear hanging kit to come in at 1.4 lbs and a tested weight limit of 90 lbs. It uses a double pulley and a single pulley, 100 feet of 1/4" and 100 feet of 3/16" poly braid. Needless to say you need gloves to hoist 90 lbs with this type of cord. But it works and has more than halved the weight of my food hanging kit.
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Reply #27 - May 10th, 2009 at 11:27pm
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I am  using parachute cord for all of my rope.  I used the everlast #70 pulley. You can see a picture here.
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); I use about 7 inch of ½ inch PVC pipe between the two top pulleys.  Today was the first day I put it up and lifted any thing.  I only had about 35 lb hanging from it but it worked well.  Care must be taken when putting it up  and taking it down to keep from tangling the ropes. If one of the ropes was a different color it would make it easer to set up. If you let the rope roll over the side of the pulley it will get pinched between the side and the wheel.  These pulleys roll very easy and will more than hold the weight and once every thing is straight and you have weight on then they stay straight but having the rope pinched over the edge of the pulley should be avoided.

  
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Reply #28 - May 11th, 2009 at 12:26am
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I tried the everlast pulleys that Magic references but had too much trouble with rolling and twisting. As a result, I reverted to a cheap cast pulley set that will not overrun. I did have to do some lube and run in to make them run smoothly but after I did they work pretty good. Out of the package they are fairly rough and may need some attention but at the price (about $4 each ) they are worth the effort. If you have a grinder with a wire wheel you can run in a set of cheap cast pulleys with a little lube and a run on the wire wheel. In an extreme case try a little abrasive rubbing compound to get them smoothed out.

The cast pulleys are heavier and gravity helps them find the proper orientation when lifting a load that is their biggest advantage. The plastic everlast pulleys run smoother but they tend to twist and turn too much. They take an extreme amount of attention to keep them running true.
  
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Reply #29 - May 11th, 2009 at 1:29am
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Kingfisher wrote on May 11th, 2009 at 12:26am:
I tried the everlast pulleys that Magic references but had too much trouble with rolling and twisting. As a result, I reverted to a cheap cast pulley set that will not overrun. I did have to do some lube and run in to make them run smoothly but after I did they work pretty good. Out of the package they are fairly rough and may need some attention but at the price (about $4 each ) they are worth the effort. If you have a grinder with a wire wheel you can run in a set of cheap cast pulleys with a little lube and a run on the wire wheel. In an extreme case try a little abrasive rubbing compound to get them smoothed out.

The cast pulleys are heavier and gravity helps them find the proper orientation when lifting a load that is their biggest advantage. The plastic everlast pulleys run smoother but they tend to twist and turn too much. They take an extreme amount of attention to keep them running true.

I also use a 3-pulley system what weighs in at 1 lb 6 oz.  My system utilizes 3 (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links).  They are quite a bit more expensive (I found the one's I use for about 1/2 the price listed in the link), but they have numerous advantages:  (a) light weight, (b) efficiency rating of about 86%, (c) split ring design--just split and insert the rope--no need to string, and (d) carrying capacity ~ 22.2 kn (5000 lbs).  To this I add a light weight caribiner to hold the split rings in place and form connecting to the rope and/or pack(s).  The 'biners are the weak link in the system at a carrying capacity of 150 lbs.  Finally, I use two 50 foot lengths of 1/4 inch braided nylon rope (in orange, so I don't accidentally run into them or leave them behind).  The pulleys will handling up to 1/2 inch rope, but I find this to be overkill.

Rope #1 (tree rope) has two overhand loop/knots about 3 feet apart in the middle of rope.  One pulley is caribinered to each loop.  Rope #2 (hoist rope) is tied to food pack, then run through one of the tree rope pulleys, back down to a 'bindered pulley attached to the pack, then back to pulley #2 on the tree rope.  

At this point the tree rope is hoisted ... most often between two trees with an open span between.  Once lashed down at each end, they you are free to hoist away.  You need to make allowances for the amount of sag in the tree rope due to degree of tautness in the line and tree diameter.

I've hoisted 80-90 pounds by myself with this system.  If you want to hand hoist, gloves are recommended, but just as often, I just make belay-like loop around my body and walk back to the tie-off tree.  Lowering is a one-hand job, with excellent control.  Oh, BTW.  When you untie your pack from the hoist line, you'll need to add weight to the line ... the pulleys are so efficient that the hoist line will quick run through the pulleys and wind up on the ground.  I carry the pulleys/biners in a small mesh bag.  I just add a rock to the bag and tie that to the end of the hoist line to avoid the "quick getaway."  However, the "slippery" nature of the lines also makes for a remarkably quick take down when you are breaking camp.   However, I'd make sure that at least one line is running through a tree pulley to pull the tree line down from the middle, after untying both ends.  (No point getting a pulley hung up in the tree.)

No pinch, no bind, no twist with this system.

I'll typically use two trees because of the infrequency of finding a substantial single limb at the right height that is free from obstruction.  All you have to find on two trees is a 1-2 inch diameter limb or stob that proves sufficient purchase against the tree for the rope.  In other words, they don't have to be pointed away from the weight on the line.  Even stobs with a sufficient upward angle between the trees can be used because the force on the line will be downward.

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