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Reply #30 - May 11th, 2009 at 4:45am
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DD, those pulleys look alot more efficient than the ones I'm using and are probably worth the extra cost. The weak link in my system is the efficiency of the pulleys.
  
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Reply #31 - May 11th, 2009 at 3:59pm
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I use the same type pulleys as dd. I bought mine at a sailing shop, about $12 each. I use the 1/4 rope for both the tree and pack lifting rope. My set-up is a little different, as I use the Modification Azalea recommended. It just allows you to keep pack closer to one of the two tree's to eliminate almost all of the line sag.
I'm thinking of trying to use some of that 1/8 braided Dacron rope they sell at Cooke or Piragis outdoor. Holds 450 lbs and weighs .05 oz for 80 ft. Has reflective cord in it, so should make for some cool night time effects.  Supposedly is stiff enough for easy knot tying. I figure that for tree rope and keep the 1/4 for pack haul rope. Anyone have any experience with  the Dacron guy line rope?  Overkill weight wise, but would lighten the kit significantly IF practical?
  
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Reply #32 - May 11th, 2009 at 6:32pm
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"I'm thinking of trying to use some of that 1/8 braided Dacron rope they sell at Cooke or Piragis outdoor. Holds 450 lbs and weighs .05 oz for 80 ft."

That's more or less what I use - it is  1/8" Dacron Kite line - 500# test
does not seem to stretch.    Color is white, so easy to see.    

just google for kite supplies and lots of online dealers should pop up


edit - my notes say my rope kit and pulley weighs 11.2 oz.  I use two ropes to go from pulley in center to each of two trees - easier to throw and coil two seperate ropes as compared to one longer rope (note: I use a lighter heaving line to get up over the branches - I'd never break that 500# line if it got stuck); a third rope runs through the pulley to hoist with - gloves do help with the small diameter line.  I get away with a single pulley when solo - my food for this year weighs 16# 5oz for 12 days - add in the pack and I'm still only hoisting 17# 3.6 oz max at the start of the trip. If I go with my brother, and double the weight, I'll often use the same setup, or may add two more pulleys.

the dacron line knots ok, but it won't knot as tightly as stretchier nylon line.
  
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Reply #33 - May 11th, 2009 at 11:10pm
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  I use the two rope method for the tree hanging rope, seems easier too me as well, and allows for Azalea's modification.
  I remember Mad Mat's recommendation about using a lighter heave line in case you snag, and had that in mind when I contemplated the switch to the Dacron line.  I still think I'll keep the 1/4" for the haul rope, easier on the hands.  If you don't have the 3 pulley set-up, and your hoisting a heavy food pack, you owe yourself too make the switch. Even a small person, with minimal effort can easily lift 90# with ease.
Thanks for info on Dacron kite line Grin
  
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Reply #34 - May 12th, 2009 at 3:59pm
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the link above is for the outfit that I bought the kite line from - $22 for 500' right now - that is cheaper than the other sites I looked at -
  
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A couple thought on hanging ropes and pulleys.
Reply #35 - May 13th, 2009 at 5:34am
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This is 1 pound almost exactly (at least when they are dry Wink ):
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These are the pulleys I think I used and I thought they were expensive but I knew what a pain cast pulleys were. Back story: We used 69 cent cast pulleys where I worked specifically because they did NOT spin very well so our counterbalance was not critical. The guy that tried these quickly switched back to cast - so I got freebies!:
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The top rope is poly and the pulling rope is nylon - 50' of each I think. The big rope is nice on the hands, never tangles and most importantly, it fits the pulleys I have. If I were to switch to smaller dia. rope, I'd also need new pulleys since it could easily foul and lock up between the wheel thingy and the frame when using rope the pulley wasn't designed for. Separating the top two keeps the ropes apart so there's no drag although I invariably need to raise my pack a foot and spin it to separate them at the start.

I made my setup in my basement one winter and as luck would have it, haven't changed a thing since. Even used it today to hoist my snow blower to it's summer home atop the garage rafters. (Winter is now officially over eh? Whoo hoo!) Anyway that sucker is a lot heavier than a foodpack for six.

The other thing to keep in mind is you don't want the top rope tight. At least I don't. I want some play so that when the trees start swaying in a storm my pack doesn't come crashing down. There's got to be serious force involved with that so I choose to avoid it with slack.
  
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