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Reply #10 - Apr 25th, 2009 at 3:42am
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Riversend wrote on Apr 24th, 2009 at 11:42pm:
d. doc: thanks for the sample map: looks like the portages on the route marked are fairly short, what I'm trying to put together is  :question..if I wanted to do this same route with a 19' Grumman and 9.9 hp motor....is that legel, legal or however ya spell it :question.  Smiley

Based on my observations, so far (and what I've heard expressed by a couple of people I know), I'd have to say that you are probably correct about the length of portages.  While there are a few on my trip this year that are of the 150+ rod length, I'd say the typical average appears to be in the 30-40 rod range.  That said, you also need to understand the WCPP policy is that only 20-25% of the portages see a portage crew per year.  I'll be able to provide a more effective assessment on portages and levels of difficulty after my early July trip.

As for the legality of taking your own motor & canoe, that would be better answered by Doug,  the park super.  You might want to pose that question of the "Who Am I" thread.

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Reply #11 - Apr 26th, 2009 at 2:40am
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 That said, you also need to understand the WCPP policy is that only 20-25% of the portages see a portage crew per year.  I'll be able to provide a more effective assessment on portages and levels of difficulty after my early July trip.

As for the legality of taking your own motor & canoe, that would be better answered by Doug,  the park super.  You might want to pose that question of the "Who Am I" thread.

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thanks doc: sounds like I'd better throw my o44 sthil chain saw in also..furniture any one  Grin.....glad I got a second opinion from you doc...that super so far don't say boo  Lips Sealed....guess that means anything goes Shocked
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 12:14am
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The portages might be shorter on average, (although I have no hard data on that) but finding them is definitely more of a challenge than QP...and they are not maintained...I experienced quite a bit of water, although that could be seasonal. 

Definitely check with Doug on motor (and chainsaw!!) ....the Park is unregulated, but check it out first so you don't have any very unpleasant surprises.  I brought my own canoe in...no problem with that!

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Reply #13 - May 13th, 2009 at 3:27pm
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I can't say for sure but I am 99% sure, chainsaws are not allowed in the park.
  
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Reply #14 - Aug 29th, 2009 at 4:31am
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Claire here...

Need to clarify a few things.  Please note that there are some reroutes along the Haven to Wrist route.   The maps I see here do not reflect these changes which could explain the challenges some folks have had portaging here.   It is always a good idea to check for updates with your outfitter or from the park office.   We are slowly trying to improve on the existing network of trails and changes are not reflected on the current canoe route map. 

Woodland Caribou P.P. IS a regulated park.  Park Wardens do patrol the park and a couple of maintenance crews try to open up as many trails as possible in our short season.   It is correct that only 1/4 or so of the trails get a visit.  We rely on visitors' trip reports to prioritize our work load for the summer.

Canoe/outboard motor combo is no longer permitted in the park... and the use of chainsaw is discouraged.  A copy of the park's new management plan that spell out the regulations is available on the Ontario Parks website or a CD copy can be shipped to you from out office.
  
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Reply #15 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 7:48am
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Well, there is new WCPP mapping afoot. 

Last season I invested some time and energy in producing a series of maps (both printed and GPS-based) for a WCPP trip.  I say "some time" tongue in cheek ... this swallowed HOURS and included a fair amount of hand work.  (Samples in earlier posts on this thread.)

Never satisfied with a solution (flaw in my character I guess), I'm always looking for a different approach.  At the end of last year I started looking into the different formats of "mappable" data that was publicly available for download on the Internet.  I had used some last year, indirectly, by doing a conversion on the available into a format that (say) my GPS could use.  Doing the "printed" map development was essentially totally independent.

So it a mapping experiment I had looked into for Quetico 4-5 years ago popped back into my head.  (Then I was attempting to reference satellite data into a usable map format ... Azalea (and others) finally completed this for me in their his own project.)  But I digress.

This year's mapping project involves using shape (shp) file to create maps.  While there is data available for doing this all over Canada and some specific types of useful data for Ontario per se, I'm concentrating mostly on WCPP.  Shape files take a totally different approach to map making, since everything you see is based on a layer of data.  One easy way of managing those layers is by using ArcGis/ArcExplorer software (free download).  So, the map is kind of like making a layer cake.  Bottom layers (e.g., lakes, vegetation, contour lines, streams, wetlands) are overlayed with other key elements (e.g., canoe routes & portages, topographical names/lake names, reefs, waterfalls, rapids) and if you are on the edge areas of a provincial park there might be other types of layers (roads, wharf, entry points, etc.). 

At present, I'm only missing one, most useful, layer...campsites.  YES, like the Legacy Forest data that Azalea incorporated into PCD, historical campsites exist as a data layer.  Unfortunately, its gone AWOL ... it was publicly available last year, but apparently is only available for a fee this year (go figure!). 

Never one to be thwarted by a little bureaucracy, I sought alternatives.  I contacted WCPP staff directly.  Come to find out, THEY area also working on a campsite mapping project.  And they can add some color to the old material because they also have some actual "eye ball" data on a number of these campsites.

After exchanging a few e-mails with Claire (Assist. Super.), I was re-directed to another person that was more involved in the technical details of the project... the park biologist.  You see, they are not only working on a map, they are also working on a campsite database (including photos). 

Frist e-mail from the un-named park biologist is from Shannon Walshe.  That name sound familiar?  For some of the "old hands" at Quetico, you might remember that Shan Walshe was the park biologist for Quetico for some time ... even has a lake named after him over by McNeice.  And YES, she is Shan's daughter!  (Small world isn't it!) 

In any case, Shannon suspects that their project will not be finished and available for public consumption until 2012. 

I'll likely produce a sample of the map series I've been working on for WCPP (although anyone should be able to pull the pieces together for any area of interest in Ontario).  What you should know about this approach to creating maps is that they are VECTOR based and not bitmapped ... for the non-techie type, this means that the maps are infinitely scalable (can zoom in and out at will) and do not pixelate (get grainy when zoomed in too much).

I'll be back later with other details as they develop.  And, if I can carry this as far as I think I can, we might be able to offer this as another Inukshuk perk.  I've also found a group of satellite images ... just not any to the detail level available for Quetico (yet).

Happy mapping!  (Isn't that what everyone does in the winter?)

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Reply #16 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 12:22pm
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DD,

My only comment is that the web-based maps YOU produced for our WCP trip last year were every bit as good content-wise as the much more expensive outfitter-annotated variety.  The scalability factor also allowed you to create maps in very useful sizes.  Your maps not only offered greater definition of features than the regular park maps (due to the colors you added) but they were produce on high-quality waterproof paper AND they were reversible (ie. you flip it over & there was another park section mapped out on the other side, maximizing usable space)!  Your stuff was BY FAR more user-friendly than any existing alternative for canoeists who are trying to figure out where they are headed in a driving rain storm on choppy seas!

Wayne, I think you have a promising 2nd career ahead of you as a cartographer after you retire next year!!

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Reply #17 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 2:50pm
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I will concur with Jimbo. Wayne's maps were far more useful and user friendly than the Canadian topos supplied by our outfitter. Scale, color coding and select details were well researched and allowed my group to travel with confidence in the areas mapped out by Wayne.
I eagerly await any further developments DD has to offer. Sincere thanks for the effort so far.

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Reply #18 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 5:55pm
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Thanks for the "vote of confidence" guys!

The maps that Jim and Darrel mention above are illustrated in my first few posts in this thread.  Yes.  After I looked at what maps of WCPP you buy from a commercial source, I decided to put a little "skin in the game" and make my own.  I wasn't overly confident in some of the material until I looked at a set of marked-up commercial maps from a local outfitter.  Most all of the information I had matched up nicely to what the outfitter provided.  The additional advantages for me were (1) to only carry paper maps for the area actually planned to visit (we had a couple of commercial maps where we needed less than 10% of the material present), (2) condensed more by printing on both sides of the paper and (3) printing on waterproof paper (I have a personal printer that will handle stock up to 13 X 19 inch ... perfect size, folded, for my map case).

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) is a sample of where I was a few weeks back with my "new" approach.  

Everything you see (I mean EVERYTHING) is produced by an independent layer ... don't want the yellow vegetation ... you can turn it off ... you don't like the yellow color ... change it to something else from an extensive color palette.

Legend of some of the less obvious elements on this map (again, you don't like the size/shape/color ... you can change these to suite your fancy)

continuous dashed brown line: canoe route...portage when they cross land (non-continuous lines, not shown here, are winter/snowmobile trails)
small brown squares:  cabins (yes there are a few privately owned cabins within the park)
black crosses (on water):  these are referred to has "hazard to navigation"; translation ... reef/rock outcrop
short red line: rapids
red dots: waterfalls (I've since change these to red triangles to more easily differentiate between rapids and waterfalls)
black number above a small black dot: point elevations

Of course, you have the obvious ... gray contour lines, light blue lakes, darker blue steams and so on (in addition to which there are a variety of other data layers that don't appear on this map selection, e.g., roads).

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Reply #19 - Dec 13th, 2009 at 3:10pm
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have been using color maps downloaded from MNR sites for years. printed 8.5x11 on regular laser paper and carried in a wp map case, or laminated back-to-back and carried in a non wp case. i've used these maps on trips to the near north parks including WC and the Albany River this past season. add whatever detail you want in paint or powerpoint, change the zoom, etc., easy and free.

another method for custom trip maps is to buy the topo cd and print out your route on 8.5x11. the cd is a digital scan of the paper maps you would buy, exactly the same, except you just print what you need.

usually i'll take both, it gives you a backup set of maps, and the plain paper is a write on set for trip notes.

  
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