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Aug 17th, 2009 at 3:13am
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Any advice for a novice solo on using a kayak paddle for primarily bw/q trips.  I paddle a Prism and have never used one, save for some short demo trips- 15 min. on calm water.  Thank You.
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 17th, 2009 at 11:18am
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I just did my first solo trip for 9 days this summer.  I brought a kayak paddle and a bentshaft single-blade paddle for my backup.  The plan was to use the kayak paddle for travelling and the single-blade for fishing.  Less than a mile into my trip, I stowed the 'yak paddle and it became my emergency backup, never to get used again. 

I have never done any kayaking and I found the yak paddle used a whole different motion and different muscles than a regular paddle.  For me, that motion was awkward and uncomfortable.  I paddled in some pretty crazy winds on that trip, coming at me from all directions and never once was I tempted to use the yak paddle again.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 17th, 2009 at 12:53pm
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I've never used one - my not so humble opinion is you should learn to paddle a canoe with a single blade paddle - using a kayak paddle is akin to using training wheels on a bike. 

Having said that, I'll add I don't care how you or anyone else paddle, but I think you'll earn higher karma points, have more satisfaction with your ablility,  with a single blade

I just led a club trip yesterday - a short 7 mile run down the S Platte River.  It was an open trip - 3 solo canoes, and two solo kayaks.  The water is low this time of year, and the floatable channels are narrow - lots and lots of sweepers blocking the channels.  In some places, you had to paddle within a foot of the bank to find enough water - the kayaks had some trouble manouvering in those tight spots- nowhere to put thier paddle in - the canoes didn't.

Kind of a synopsis of a lot of threads about double blade vs single blade - in the long run, it is more strenuous to use the kayak paddle;
a kayak paddle will help you to paddle into strong winds, somewhat easier than a single blade (due to a higher cadence and not needing correction strokes - true, but you can go to a higher cadence with a single blade as well - that's what I do).   The learning curve for paddling a solo boat with a double blade is about zero.

here is link to a thread that is a pretty good read on the subject- scroll down past the adds to see the posts

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I think it boils down to whether you really really like paddling or not - if all you want to use your canoe for is transportation - to get into some lake to fish, it doesn't make any difference how you get there - a motor is the easiest and most efficient way to go (and you can do that in some parts of BWCA).  IF you paddle for the pleasure of paddling, the art of paddling, then why stop half way ?

I paddle with a lot of different people - one guy who paddles both canoes and kayaks (he seems to prefer kayaks for everything but white water) is always telling me that I should try the kayak, to cross over to the dark side.  I'm sure I'd enjoy paddling a kayak - problem is, I really really like to paddle my canoes - can't do both, so no thanks, I'll stick to my canoes, and to my single blade paddle.  This guy is into racing and doing upstream paddling to avoid shuttles and for the workout - his kayak (he's a boat dealer, has all kinds of boats) is better for that than his canoe.
  
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Re: kayak paddle for solo canoe
Reply #3 - Aug 17th, 2009 at 7:59pm
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I use a 9ft kayak paddle for my primary paddle in "most" conditions, with bent shaft as a back-up.

I don't disagree with SD or Mad_Mat, I don't worry about Karma( maybe I should), I just find the double paddle suits MY way of getting around.
I don't get to paddle as much as those guy's, once a year for 2 weeks, "maybe" some local weekend stuff.
I would say my canoe paddling skills are a C+, what I lack in technique, I usually can make up with power and endurance.
 The double paddle does work a different set of muscles and IF your a single paddler that spends more than 1 trip a year in a canoe, over the years  you've developed "muscle memory" from the constant repetitive single paddle strokes.
For me, and probably others that don't get as much time as we would like, whether re-learning the single or a double, the first few days are "awkward"  anyway.
I'm always amazed how better I feel and how smoothly I move along, the last few days, compared to the first one's.
 I got into the double paddle after my second solo trip, I ran into a Middle-age Canadian guy coming from Conk Lk, into Quetico Lk, heading for Beaverhouse take-out.
 The wind was strong that day, and he was heading directly into it, with his double paddle, just hauling the mail.
  He saw me and pulled along side. He was wearing a big strap-on back brace! I was really impressed, when he told me that he had started
on Basswood and that he was going in for MAJOR surgery when he got home.
I asked about the double paddle, he said that being a occasional kayak-er, he saw the "potential" in the double paddle for solo canoeing.
I laughed, and said the "traditionalist's" would be rolling over in their graves!
He said that he had been in a canoe since he was a little kid. He had a dozen canoes/kayaks between him/wife and kids. He raced them and did white water trips.
 He told me that providing you can adapt to the extra "load", that in "certain" conditions, like directly into or with a strong wind, you could really make time.
He also had bent shaft and used it like I do, for trolling, easy cruising, maneuvering in tight areas, fast currents.
 His attitude was that whatever worked best for YOU was all that mattered Wink
I figured if it was good enough for a guy like that, it was worth a try?
I tried it next trip and it worked for me. I work-out with the double paddle in mind, I don't find it more tiring or hard to get accustomed too, I'd have a relearning curve after a year off, no matter what I paddled with.
I wouldn't buy an expensive double paddle. Mine is made by Mohawk canoes, you need a 9 footer for canoe. I'd also try to learn the single paddle basics BEFORE getting into the double.
I see NO reason ( Karma a side) you can't use both IF it works for you Undecided
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 17th, 2009 at 8:06pm
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I had the exact same experience as SD. On my first solo trip i was fully committed to a double blade to the tune of a couple hundred bucks. I forced myself to use it the entire first day from French Lake down to Cache Lake. I absolutely hated the unwieldy length on Baptism Creek and never did feel comfortable with it on open water either. About the middle of day two I went to my single blade back up and have never looked back. That expensive graphite double now gathers dust in my garage attic. FWIW, I am a lifelong canoer and have never really taken to the kayak thing. I'm embarrassed to say that I felt like a real klutz with the double.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 17th, 2009 at 11:11pm
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Kingfisher wrote on Aug 17th, 2009 at 8:06pm:
I had the exact same experience as SD. On my first solo trip i was fully committed to a double blade to the tune of a couple hundred bucks.


KF was a lot more patient with the double-blade learning curve than me.  Then again, if I'd just invested $200 into a double-blade, I bet I would have been a lot more patient!

  
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Reply #6 - Aug 17th, 2009 at 11:32pm
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Snow_Dog wrote on Aug 17th, 2009 at 11:11pm:
Kingfisher wrote on Aug 17th, 2009 at 8:06pm:
I had the exact same experience as SD. On my first solo trip i was fully committed to a double blade to the tune of a couple hundred bucks.


KF was a lot more patient with the double-blade learning curve than me.  Then again, if I'd just invested $200 into a double-blade, I bet I would have been a lot more patient!


I'm committed, I spent a WHOLE $50 bucks on my double paddle Wink
The way I looked at it, with an available T-handle kit, the worse that would happen is I wound up with 2 back-up paddles Cool
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 18th, 2009 at 4:55am
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Do whatever you want!!!!  Cool  If a kayak paddle makes you smile, well go for it. Anyone who says different, needs to lighten up. I had a couple of guys in their mid 50's give me some bs about this very subject on LLC 2 years ago. One of them actually questioned if I knew how to paddle a solo. I smiled and in sign language made it clear he wasn't welcome on my island campsite. He had to take his break some where else.  Grin
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 18th, 2009 at 1:19pm
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just for grins, I'll muddy the water a bit.

why limit your double blade paddling to a solo boat ? - if the double is so much better, why not use two in a tandem ?  I've seen that once, with an aluminum rental on Quetico Lake.  Yet, many of the same people who recommend a double blade (not necessarily on this site) have never recommended the use of double blades in a tandem canoe that I have ever seen.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 18th, 2009 at 5:23pm
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Mad_Mat wrote on Aug 18th, 2009 at 1:19pm:
just for grins, I'll muddy the water a bit.

why limit your double blade paddling to a solo boat ? - if the double is so much better, why not use two in a tandem ?  I've seen that once, with an aluminum rental on Quetico Lake.  Yet, many of the same people who recommend a double blade (not necessarily on this site) have never recommended the use of double blades in a tandem canoe that I have ever seen.


Funny you should say that Grin
The first year I used double paddle, I only had a week, and hit really windy weather. Wound up getting as far as Jean Lk, and stayed there 2 days fishing it, Little Jean, and Ceph Lk.
When I hit the little bay after the portage into Jean, the wind was bad out of the East, and Jean was rolling in Whitecaps. I camped on makeshift site in little bay, as the popular point site was taken. Crossed over next morning before the wind whipped the lake into whitecaps again.
While lounging in my hammock, I looked out to see a tandem canoe going East down Jean, into the whitecaps at a unbelievable rate?
 I couldn't make them out very well, but something looked "amiss"?
Using my binoculars, I was pleasantly surprised too see the guys in the tandem were using 2 double paddles!
I use a cruising type stroke, they were using the big windmill type stroke you see kayakers use in certain conditions. They were perfectly in sync, and obviously had double paddle experience.
From the shore, it looked like they had a small motor on that canoe.
Turned out they were staying at the 5 star site on the point on west end of bay too. I didn't see any kayaks among the canoes of the group camped there, so I'm assuming they were using the double paddle like I would, and probably had singles as well?
I would of paddled over too ask, but it was late and the chop was up.
I crossed at first light, and never got a chance too see them or ask how they liked the double paddles?
I would be willing too bet, that 2 guys using the double paddle that had experience as kayakers, in a tandem canoe into the wind would out paddle 2 single paddlers assuming skill levels and loads were the same Wink

  
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