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Reply #10 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 2:18pm
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Thank you, everyody.  I will take all of these suggestions into account.  I think the suggestions about moving my seat back, being smarter about balancing my cargo, and maybe getting a bent shaft longer paddle may solve my problems. 

I do like the Prism and I will compare it to the Bell models discussed.   I knew there was something I was missing!  Thanks gang.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 2:34pm
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Also keep in mind the tradeoff between bow/stern height in how they relate to wind and waves. 

Lower bow and stern catch less wind, making them easier to paddle when the wind is up.  However, a higher bow and stern can handle bigger waves without taking on water.  Somewhat related is the amount of flare on the bow.  More flare = less likely to take on water, regardless of bow height.

The Prism has a higher bow/stern than the Bell solos, and I know soloists who have mentioned Prisms can be tricky to control in the wind.  Bells, OTOH, don't get pushed around by the wind so much (I have heard), but you have less margin for error in big waves.  Again, it will come down to personal preference.

I'm looking seriously at buying a Bell Magic because I trust my ability to "read" waves and compensate for them by angle of attack more than I trust my ability to hold the proper line when the wind wants to push my canoe off-line.  So that's where I fall on this particular tradeoff.  You may feel entirely differently.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 24th, 2010 at 1:30am
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I have a Bell Magic and I have traveled deep into Quetico, using both a kayak paddle and a bent shaft canoe paddle. As others have mentioned, load distribution is an essential part of efficient performance. (Ever try to paddle an unloaded tandem solo while sitting in the stern?  Grin ) If you use a kayak paddle, it needs to be longer than what you would normally use in a kayak. Otherwise you will quickly get frustrated. The more I paddle the Magic, the more comfortable I am with it. Its been almost four years now & I am strongly attached to "Louise".
I also tested a Prism and was very impressed. I was torn between the two, and I'm sure I would have been equally happy with the Prism. Like anything else, IMO, it is a matter of learning the proper skills sets and getting into a comfort zone. After years of paddling tandem, I now much prefer going solo. I'm guessing that is true of a lot of people.
Enjoy that Prism; it's a great boat!  Grin
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Reply #13 - Feb 24th, 2010 at 6:46am
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For what it's worth, here's a decent article on choosing a solo canoe.  This is aimed at Bell canoes but the concepts also apply to Wenonahs.  You'll have to compare the specs of the various Bell and Wenonah solos to find the appropriate match in Wenonah's fleet if a Wenonah is what you're after.

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This link will get you user reviews of a wide variety of canoes.  Once you narrow your search to a couple models you might find the answers you're looking for here.

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Reply #14 - Feb 24th, 2010 at 1:51pm
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As a solo paddler who uses a tandem rental as his "solo", the comments about weight distribution are dead spot on.
Weight distribution is important even in a tandem, but it's critical in a solo.
 Paddling "backward" in the tandem, I have both packs, gear and food as far forward as possible. I start with the heavy food pack nearest bow, and swap out as it gets lighter later in the trip.

You want bow heavy into the wind, stern heavy with a trailing breeze.
I've found that I can slide packs to achieve that, but in narrower true solo, that might not be possible.

I think sometimes it's difficult to judge if your set -up properly especially if your in calm water sans wind. As the wind picks-up, you find yourself working way harder than you want and in some cases at risk for a dunking.

Since there's always a little water in the canoe ( at least when I paddle), I use that as sort of a " leveling bubble".  I thought about gluing a small level bubble onto seat frame when I buy my own canoe.
That way I can see at a glance whether I'm set up right for the conditions without any guess work.

IF your thinking of trying the double paddle, you do need a longer paddle. I use a 9' paddle, any shorter your banging the thwarts and exaggerating your entry stroke.

I'm sure that once you get the load distribution worked out, ANY canoe will perform to its design limits.  Working that out before you hit big water/wind is a good idea especially when your traveling solo Wink
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 24th, 2010 at 5:00pm
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I checked out the links...I dont care much for the fire series for flat water, that's just me, and I own one-freestyle yes. The old creekrunner is approaching its twenty year birthday, love it more everday-patch and all. When I want to turn and the stoke just is not enough it gets the heel and a wet rail in combination with a good brace and the firing of my core muscles; on a dime.

Bow flare and height are a compromise to be sure. I have only taken wave water one time and that was in 3 footers and with a heavy load, and the water was token at best-the wind was not.

I still have not found a double blade that I am willing to haul or use and still prefer the bend and straight shaft chunks of wood.

I also watched a good friend get into and out of his new Voyager last fall...I prefer my feet under the seat, and not the tractor type. But that is what I am use to...U know.

Test drive/paddle

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Reply #16 - Feb 24th, 2010 at 5:41pm
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Thanks again everyone.  After reading everyone's thoughts I did some more looking and as soon as I'm able I will test drive the Prism, and the Bell Merlin II.  Either way I don't think I can go wrong.
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 24th, 2010 at 6:47pm
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Hey Prouboy,
Sorry about not answering your question addressed to me. I'm not tech savvy and can't figure out how to capture someones quote and respond. Besides I feel like I post quite a bit already. Anyway, its buggin me and I thought an apology was in order. To answer your question the first time I had it out, literally, I had a completely unbalanced load with a seat that was hiked to the rails and I hadn't gone 10 feet on the beginning of a 13 day trip and I thought sure I was going in. I had intended to go for a test run but my business in the summer goes pretty much full blast and I just ran out of time. Cliff Jacobs review of the boat, as well as several others were enough for me to purchase the boat without trying it out. Besides, with my inexperience at that time I wouldn't know a good boat from a bad boat. So, seeing that I actually had a few weeks to kill for once I rationalized my way into doing a couple week trip my first time out in it. Crazy huh? Anyway, after I lowered the seat with seat drops the dealer had thoughtfully given me and gave a bit of a critical eye to the load the boat performed far beyond my expectations and I had an absolute wonderful trip.
  
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Re: Best Solo Canoe
Reply #18 - Feb 25th, 2010 at 10:24pm
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I've paddled my tandem backwards for probably at least 20 solo trips and I get a better feel for it every year. On my last trip I borrowed KF's Prism. It turned at least one windbound day into a travel day. I was great in the wind compared to what I'm use to. It wasn't the joy to paddle though -at least not the sports car feel I expected. It was a fine boat, super stable - too stable for my taste, verging on boring. I think I'd prefer a little livelier boat with more obvious limits.

I bought my first (only) after test paddling four boats the same afternoon. It was obviously better than what I rented previously so it was a no brainer. These days, I wouldn't buy any boat based on anyone's recommendation w/o a test paddle trip or two and comparing it to another boat or two. You will notice what you hate instantly but I think you gotta paddle something for a long while to find the lovable aspects.

So... that said, if you want one, buy something. Do a trip or two. You can always sell it if you hate it.

At this point, I'd seriously consider buying a boat someone offered me for a test trip. (hint, hint, wink wink) Who knows? After a few different boats I may be able to pull the trigger on one if the price was right. I want to shed some portage pounds and still have a boat that I enjoy paddling at least as much as the tandem I know. I seriously expect the same performance jump I experienced between aluminum and glass/kevlar.
  
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Reply #19 - Feb 25th, 2010 at 11:31pm
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I have an opportunity to aquire a Winonah Encounter... It's a little longer and better volume than a prism. I'm in the over 200# range and my 75 lb dog will be joining me on many trips.  I've always paddled solo with my old Old Town Pathfinder. When tripping I paddle it from the stern, and when fishing or whatever I paddle it backwards from the bow. My question to solo paddlers such as the Prism, is it a challenge to get out of when you cannot pull sideways to a landing, rock or beaverdam? I'm talking about if too deep to hop out. Or any other things I might consider??
  
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