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Re: Best Solo Canoe
Reply #20 - Feb 26th, 2010 at 2:24am
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nctry_Ben wrote on Feb 25th, 2010 at 11:31pm:
. My question to solo paddlers such as the Prism, is it a challenge to get out of when you cannot pull sideways to a landing, rock or beaverdam? I'm talking about if too deep to hop out. Or any other things I might consider??

I've been driving a Prism exclusively for the past 5 years and I don't remember a single portage where it was much of an issue (as long a knee deep water doesn't bother you).

I do remember a couple of occassions where I had to step out on to a muddy flat when approaching a beaver dam.  However, the only real challenge I've faced was with a small deadfall across a narrow creek (between Cub and Baird in Quetico).  The stream wasn't wide enough to turn 30 degrees, much less sideways and there was no pushing thru the obstruction.  I finally had to get out and walk (in a manner of speaking) a few hummocks to grab the tree and move it aside.

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Reply #21 - Feb 26th, 2010 at 4:27pm
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Hi Ben,
Like DD above, I've never really had a problem either. BUT, I am a dedicated wetfooter. I don't mind stepping out into knee-deep water. In fact, I expect it. I think that a dryfooter (one who wants to step directly from boat onto dry land) might experience some problems.
I simply lean forward, grasp both gunnels, and swing a leg over the side. Get in the same way. Acquire some bilgewater, but I keep a sponge handy if it gets too bad or just dump it out at the next portage.

Solo paddling means you don't have to wait for anyone else to load, unload, "get situated", finish the portage, answer a nature call, etc. You pretty much know where everything is in the boat and packs, and you can pick your landing spot without a debate.

Also means you get to ask all the questions and provide all the answers. I usually end up carrying on conversations with myself by the end of day 2. Aloud, not in my head. Earned me a couple funny looks a couple times when I stumbled upon someone at a portage. Grin
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Reply #22 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 8:11pm
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I'll add a few more cents worth.

I have a Merlin II.  Works for me - the magic may be faster on paper (and in other people's opinions as well), but a local dealer did a GPS test on the two boats and was surpirsed to find that thier test showed the Merlin to be faster than the Magic.  When I test paddled both of those boats, twice each on the same outing, I could not find any noticeable speed difference at my "cruising speed", which is how I would be paddleing 95% of the time.

If you test paddle a Merlin, find out from the dealer if it has the seat drops for sitting, or for kneeling.  There is a very noticeable difference in stability between the two, especially if you test the boats without a tripping load.  The sitting drops are longer, lowering the seat a few inches - two or three, I don't know exactly, but it does make a big difference in how the boat will feel to you.    The drops are easily interchangeable, and if you want to test the boat for sitting, ask the dealer if its set for that - if not, maybe they will make the change.

The Merlin is designed more as a "kneeling" boat than a "sitting" boat, and you might come across that in your research (i.e. you kneel, with your butt on the edge of the seat rather than sitting fully on the seat).  It does not mean a whole lot, as the boat does just fine for me, and I always sit.  If you do get one with the sitting drops, it isn't as easy to get your feet back under the seat, and it may even be too low to do that.  You can cut off an inch or whatever to raise the seat a little, but the higher the seat is off the bottom of the boat, the less stable it will be.

The Merlin has more rocker than the magic.  It definitely felt more "lively" to me than the Magic - more responsive, which was my preference.  It would be a better choice for a more "all-around" boat than the Merlin or Prism, so if you will be using the boat for some river trips, I'd say teh Merlin is a better choice.

The Black Gold is the tougher layup of the two offered.  I didn't worry about that - I wanted the lightest boat I could find for the portages.  I bought my Kev-Light Merlin last year, and used it for my '09 trip.  I didn't have any issues with the lighter layup - I still slid over beaver dams, and as long as you use your head to not abuse it, it is perfectly fine.  I got a few scratches in the bottom, but no big deal.  I also have a Kev-light tandem, I've used on two trips.  Works just fine for me.  I always wet foot the landings though.

I don't fish much from the boat.  I have, both trollihg and sitting/casting, and found it ok stability wise, but fishing from any solo is more hassle than from a tandem where a partner can maintain control while you cast or play a fish while the wind is trying to blow you onto shore.  I mostly will just try to fish from shore, unless I am trolling.   Any solo boat will have the same issues.

My paddling style is mostly using the "C" stroke, maybe a J or two, and hardly ever doing and "hit and switch".  The Merlin seems well suited for that.  If I was a "hit and switch" paddler, I'd probably have preferred the Magic, but maybe not.  More rocker will mean a little bit more "yaw" at the bow to correct for - i.e., the Merlin won't track as well as the less rockered Merlin or the almost non-rockered Prism.


I'd also suggest looking at, and testing out the Wen Wilderness and the Bell Rockstar if you can.  And it would be much better when you test paddle boats if you bring along a tripping load - any boat will feel more stable when loaded, than when not.  Paddle them with the load first to get a better feel for how they work for tripping, then paddle them again empty, to see how they feel that way.

I've used two other solo boats for tripping. One is a  Mad River Independence, which I think is a great boat, hard to find used, and only offered now by Vermont Canoe.  It was my tripping solo, replaced only to get a lighter boat, and I've kept it for day trips and still use it. 

The other is a Wenonah Rendezvous, in Royalex.  Its my river tripper and does only fair on flatwater in the royalex version - don't get a royalex boat for a lake tripper - not as efficient, as the bow is fat and blunt, and you are working harder to more the extra weight, and of course, you carry a heavier load over the portages.  But your dealer may have a Rendezvous in a composite layup, and if so, that would be an ok choice.

I'd be somewhat leery of buying a boat and having it shipped to you, unless the dealer will crate it solidly for you.  Trucking companies have been know to run the forks of a forklift thru a kevlar boat, and you have potentially a lot of hassle to get them to pay for a new one.

Try to find a "blem" or "demo" for sale at a dealer, as they often get discounted quite a bit, and nothing wrong with keeping your eye out on craigslist for your area.

generally, most solo canoes are much more alike than different;  they all have issues with the wind, they all require care in trimming the boat for the conditions you are in, they will all feel much less stable than any tandem until you get used to them, and they are all a lot more fun to paddle than a tandem, at leat in my opinion, but that does depend on the boat.  Design features are tradeoffs - if you want a more stable boat, it will have to be wider, and thus slower; lighter will be less durable;  if you buy a boat, give yourself a chance to grow into liking it - if you find that you don't really like it, or like something else, just sell the damn thing and buy another - no big deal.
  
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Re: Best Solo Canoe
Reply #23 - Mar 4th, 2010 at 3:10pm
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To keep in line with this thread I'll ask this question this way... To acheive the best solo canoe, would it be better to have a sliding tractor seat or a fixed web seat. The place I'm looking at the Encounter says they would replace the slider for a web seat. I'm thinking the slider has a purpose in shifting my wieght forward or back to balance the trim. It would be nice to have the web seat as it would accomidate my seat cushion and back rest. Thoughts?
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 4th, 2010 at 4:13pm
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do you like the bucket seat ?  test paddle a boat with a bucket seat before you make that decision.   

as far as whether a sliding seat is better, that's just personal preference.  it is obviously easier to shift your body weight to adjust trim with a slider, but I've never felt I needed or wanted one - I have no problems just shifting packs to do the same thing.

Wenonah offers some kind of height and angle adjustable bench seat, but that does not appear to be a slider? nor offered for the encounter? but maybe it is - I'd ask the dealer about it - they may have one you can look at - not sure if they are sized to fit the encounter, but it could be cut down to fit I think.

I used to have a link for a slliding cane bench seat, but it won't work anymore - you might be able to find one if you wanted to change your seat in the future
  
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Re: Best Solo Canoe
Reply #25 - Mar 4th, 2010 at 11:02pm
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A slider may be more convenient, but it will add extra weight, which may or may not be a issue?

It's very easy to use your packs to adjust trim. On a old forum someone mentioned having a rope attached to pack bottom loop. You can use your paddle to push weight into bow or stern, rope to pull packs to center when applicable.

I prefer a web seat for a couple of reasons. If you want to kneel , its more comfortable and when it rains the bucket can collect water unless it has drainage holes?
As you mentioned you have a canoe seat, why spend the money for another bucket canoe seat.  M_M has it right, try the bucket and slider if you can then you can make a decision based on whats best for you Wink
  
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Re: Best Solo Canoe
Reply #26 - Mar 4th, 2010 at 11:25pm
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I've paddled both a Prism and a Magic. 

I found the Prism to be very fast but a pain to turn and very hard to keep straight in a rear quartering wind.  The Prism has no rocker which allows for good tracking but sacrifices turning ability.

The Magic on the other hand has a rocker and is therefore much easier to turn.  I have had much less trouble paddling a Magic in the wind.

I have since purchased a Magic and love it. 

Plus Bells are much better looking than Wenonahs!   Wink
  
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Reply #27 - Mar 5th, 2010 at 2:58am
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My preference is to knee...so the tractor seat is out...cuz I like to freestyle.
  
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Reply #28 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 5:08pm
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Well, I test paddled the Encounter yesterday. A little getting used to paddling in the middle, then I realized how fast I was going. I think I found MY best solo canoe. It didn't seem any to big... Thank goodness for one little open lake in Virginia Mn (because of a power plant). I also didn't realize you could put on a web seat and still have the adjustable option there too. The best of both worlds. Cool
  
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Reply #29 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 4:27am
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