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Mar 11th, 2010 at 5:05am
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I wear a mustang survival automatic inflatable PFD. I have never seen an inflatable on another paddler. I like it because I always wear it and never know I have it on. I am curious as to why it's not more popular and accepted on still waters? Am I missing something?  Huh
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 5:11am
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I'm guessing they are more expensive? Are they multi-use?
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 8:14am
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I intentionally bought a conventional PFD that had large front pockets for survival and fishing gear.  It also provides a handy padded seat for lunch stops (and at other times).

Also I tend to do some of my travel in the shoulder seasons (May/September) when the extra insulation (warmth) is desirable.

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Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 11:02am
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Old Salt wrote on Mar 11th, 2010 at 5:11am:
I'm guessing they are more expensive? Are they multi-use?

They will run anywhere from 1 to 3 bills and certainly not multi purpose.

And yea DD I have always liked the idea of a survival kit in cold or remote places, that would be a must........ (have to be able to make a fire in any circumstance and fast...........If the kits not always with you it won't do you any good). No pockets on mine.

Still, I thought there might be a more intrinsically compelling reason why NOBODY wears one. I would hate to be in a position where I thought to myself "Oh, that's why nobody wears one of these", you know what I mean?

For now Mustang Sally will continue to be like a bad habit. She's so comfy I would be hard pressed to give her up. We'll see if others weigh in, good points though.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 12:16pm
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I wonder if there is ever a scenario when one would not be able to pull the cord or press the button with Sally? Huh
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 12:20pm
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So how many extra CO2 cartridges do you carry with you on a trip?

I wear these inflatables for other on the water pursuits but not canoe trips. I have a waist belt style (Mustang)and a horse collar style (Stearns). I've always wondered how many cartridges I would bring if I did use them on a trip and then realize the other uses that a standard PFD offer. The cartridges for the waist belt style cost nearly $40. The auto deployed Stearns horse collar style also requires activation tablets that MUST be kept dry. I thought that would be a PIA.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 12:34pm
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like the other have said, I find a standard PFD to be a multi-use item

often wear it for the extra insulation, keep my map handy in the pocket, use if for my pillow

also, they are reasonably cheap - the one I use in Quetico is a cheapo from Cabelas, and its the lightest PFD I have, so its the one that goes.

since I don't have any problem wearing it, I don't see that an inflateable really offers any advantages for me - so I've never given an inflateable a thought.

and, a regular PFD is fool-proof as long as its on - there is always chance an inflateable will malfunction - maybe even leak air ? and maybe you will catch the ripcord on a pack and have it inflate by accident ?


edit:  I took a look at the Mustang PFDs - couldn't find any weights given, but they don't look to be all that much lighter than my regualr PFD.  Not all the Mustang models had USCG Type III - ratings   - in Colorado, by law, you have to have a USCG Type III for each person in the canoe - so that could be a consideration for anyone buying one (Type II or seat cushion type is not an acceptable alternative- and yes, I've been checked several times)

I looked at the Stearns models a bit also- some said Type V approved for use as Tpe III (and some not) - depending on what the label actually says, these might not "fle" with some of the boating rangers.

its been some time since I've actually read the rules here, but it would be something to check on if I was thinking of getting an inflateable
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 12:53pm
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marlin55388 wrote on Mar 11th, 2010 at 12:16pm:
I wonder if there is ever a scenario when one would not be able to pull the cord or press the button with Sally? Huh

I used to have one that required a pull but I upgraded to a hydrostatic. That is, it requires actual water pressure to automatically activate. Rain won't do it.

So far I have I have resisted the temptation to bring re-arming cartridges. I can envision a lifetime of paddling in the "Q" and being careful enough not to require a re-arming kit. Worst case scenario is I paddle with it inflated and re-arm when I get home. If I were to paddle moving water or some where other than the "Q" where a spill might be more likely (In spite of paddling my share of snotty stuff I am a cautious paddler) I would certainly gravitate to some other method.

I am not advocating this method for others. This was a purely personal query. In fact I would advocate the exact opposite for others, especially newbies. Anytime you have to depend on a mechanical device there is always the potential for failure and that should be incorporated into the risk taking.




  
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Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 1:37pm
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Mad Mat's question as to the legality of an inflatable in the park is quite relevant and had never crossed my mind. I assumed that since U S coast guard wears them and offshore sailors use them it would not be an issue. I have sent an inquiry to the park and will post the results when I get an answer. Mat, if you have saved me eventual grief how do you like your steak? ( or pasta prima vera if your one of those veggie types)
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 3:44pm
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mastertangler wrote on Mar 11th, 2010 at 12:53pm:
So far I have I have resisted the temptation to bring re-arming cartridges. I can envision a lifetime of paddling in the "Q" and being careful enough not to require a re-arming kit. Worst case scenario is I paddle with it inflated and re-arm when I get home. If I were to paddle moving water or some where other than the "Q" where a spill might be more likely (In spite of paddling my share of snotty stuff I am a cautious paddler) I would certainly gravitate to some other method.


Whatever floats your boat (or yourself, in this case), I guess. 

I can also envision a lifetime of paddling in the Q and never needing a re-arming kit.  However, I can also envision needing one.  Which scenario is more likely?  I hope you don't find out the hard way.  Being a solo canoeist, your margin for error is slimmer than for tandem paddlers or those who travel in groups.

Part of risk assessment for me is what are the consequences of failure?  In this case, death is a very real possibility.  For me, that means a regular PFD, not a self-inflating model.  As a dad and husband, I take death pretty seriously not just for myself, but also for the effect on my family.  But again, that's just me.
  
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