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Apr 9th, 2010 at 3:49am
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Back when I first started thinking of canoe tripping I started out by reading as much info about it as I could. Of particular value to me at that time was the series of books from Cliff Jacobs. I think his books are ideally suited for tripping in "park" environments like BW and Q. Where we parted company however was the idea of packs and dry bags. He disliked the Cascade design type packs summarizing that the material would likely abrade and consequently leak. I wonder if he came to the conclusion from personal experience, others experience, or conjecture.

Much has been written as of late in BWJ concerning packs. Excellent articles I might add. In no way do I contest the info given. This posting is aimed at the person who is inclined to give the Cascade packs a try but has been spooked off by bad press.

I have had my Cascade Pro Pack for over 10 years. I am probably an average tripper and go anywhere from 10 to 14 days per year. I am very much inclined to travel. That means lots of portaging. I don't baby my pack and it is usually heavier than it should be. It is still going strong with no leaks. Easily adjustable padded shoulder straps ( I snug them up after it's on), big wide padded waist belt and sternum strap make for one comfy ride. Plus I like the way it slides in and out of the boat.

I am also a fan of the long cylindrical dry bags from the same company. In one goes my raingear, first aid kit and a light fleece. In the other goes all the cooking stuff (stove, fuel, pot, pan, plates, cup etc.). I hand carry these bags. They carry quite easily hanging at your side as long as you don't get them to long where they will hit the ground. Again I have never had one abrade through yet even though I max them out. With the assorted bags it is easier to stay organized as well as shift weight in the boat very quickly and efficiently. Plus when I day trip there is no re-packing. I grab the raingear bag, the cooking bag and fishing tackle and go. And, at least so far, I don't worry about anything getting wet. In fact, if not for all the articles I wouldn't have known that my equipment wasn't the absolute best way to go.

Wise guy comments aside I would like to see some other equipment in action to be able to contrast and compare. I have zero experience with anything else. I do know, however, I have been quite pleased with what I have. If you are a casual canoe tripper these products work very well.
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Reply #1 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 12:17pm
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above is a rather lengthy discussion on the same topic

Myself, I don't have any traditional canvas canoe packs - I 've never liked that design for several reasons - mainly because they don't come with hipbelts or padded shoulder straps, and are way too big, which means they will be way too heavy when fully loaded.  Many of the more modern "takeoffs" of the design do have good straps and hipbelts - but they are quite expensive and big.  Too big for my taste - I don't like having my packs stick up above the gunnel line - the envelope style canoe pack seems to be designed to sit upright in the canoe, two side by side - too big a wind catcher (look at a Piragis catalog and you'll see pictures that show that - not my style, though I commonly see this in Quetico).  I can normally lay my SST pack down flat in the bottom of the boat,   On the other hand, there are a lot of pvc drybags that don't have hipbelts either, so I have the same issue with them - unless very lightly loaded, they don't carry comfortably at all - fine for riverside camping, but not for real portageing.

I think its more of a background thing - if you have a background in river tripping, you will likely have used the pvc drybags - if your background is learning from someone who has tripped with the traditional "canoe pack" design, you'll probably favor that.  Location matters too - while the "canoe pack" is commonly available in the Ely area, they are not common elsewhere - it has been the river runner's drybags that are commonly available - the internet has chnaged that, but still, if ou go into most outdoors stores, you will find pvc and not canvas.

as far as ol Cliffbar goes, I don't know the man, but my guess is he'll endorse anything you pay him to endorse, and his opinion is just that - worth considering, but I make up my own mind about what I like.  Would a pvc pack hold up as long as a heavyduty canvas pack IF you drag it across lots of sharp granite - I doubt it, but I"m not gonna drag any pack like that, so that doesn't matter much to me.  I've never read any of Cliff's books - never felt the need - I like to figure out things for myself - I'm pretty good at it, actually.

to me, its whatever works for me (or for you) - there is no one best answer.  When I go solo, my main "canoe pack" is a cheapo 12 oz, medium sized nylon duffle bag from Campmor that I toss atop my G-pack - works for me.
  
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Re: Pack critique
Reply #2 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 1:16pm
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Thanks Matt, Looks like this has already been discussed at some length.

I dislike sniping as it is easy to do and often unfair and unkind so please don't misunderstand my intention. I also like to "figure things out for myself", but the wise counter weight to that is a quote from Eleanor Roosevelt which goes something like this,

"Life is to short to make all the mistakes yourself, better to learn from others mistakes".

She has many quotes that have kernels of wisdom and are often rather amusing. Interesting woman. Check her out....
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Reply #3 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 10:47pm
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I think there is a lot of truth to the statement that "it depends on how you were taught".  For example, football and baseball can be played on astro turf or some variation, but isn't it just better when the games are played on real dirt and grass.  An even better example is aluminum baseball bats that go ping when you hit the ball.

I have Duluth packs which are 30 years old and still going strong.  I just like the way they look and feel.  I have a Granite Gear bag which is newer and has a padded waist and shoulder straps and a newer fabric for the body.  Functionally it is probably a better bag, but it never has felt right to me.  So packs are similar to women, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Re: Pack critique
Reply #4 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 6:13am
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Ah yes methods of madness, boat floatin'....and the like. Been hauling the fuel bottles for many years in a roll top urethane bag. The two seconds where going strong until last year when the one failed the "squeeze test" finally, lord the miles on that one, so the second second is in use now. BTW the two 2nds were PU'ed some 20 twenty years ago and many holy packs ago. Wink

Use to use another larger for my guide bag. I have also used one with a shoulder harness, but left that route due too the comfort factor-I found it very hot on the back, and I think the mass of the empty bag is somewhat larger. The lack of hip belt was also a factor.

I come out of the alpine backpack tradition so it is the root of the thing for me I guess. I have my system, my method and it is acceptable to me.
  
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Re: Pack critique
Reply #5 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 10:51pm
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I've used a bit of variety for bags. I have a good handful of small pvc bags. I generally use them as organizing bags and put them in my big pack. I've occasionally carried them loose but I don't like stuff in my hands so I try not to do that too much. I also have camped many times with WR who is a die hard duluth pack user. I love the look of them in the store and in the campsite but (sorry Andy Smiley ) they're not my favorite on a portage. Even the really nice ones with padded straps and hip belts don't feel right to me. What I've always liked best is a mid line internal frame pack I got out of campmour when I was 16. It's held up well even though I'm tough on stuff. It also is the very best thing I can find on a portage. I carry way too much and I can lug whatever gets put in it however far I need to carry it. When it stands tall it also sits perfect inside my canoe and balances everything just perfect. It doesn't catch wind either because it fit really well laying on the floor of the canoe below the yoke. My wife has a similar pack that fits between the front seat and the yoke laying on the floor. Together they give a really low center of gravity. I have been thinking of getting a blue barrel with a harness for food but I'm not sure yet. That would be the only addition/ change I would make.
  
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