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Apr 10th, 2010 at 3:33am
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I have Bell Merlin II and a Souris River Quetico 17. 

I'm planning a solo trip, and have always assumed I'd take the Merlin.  However, I've read (on this website I think) that the Quetico 17 can also be paddled as a solo.  I want to take my dog with me, so while Puck and gear fit into the Merlin, the added room of the Quetico 17 is attractive. 

1. Can the Souris River Quetico 17 be paddled solo fairly easily? 
2. Would you take the Merlin or the Quetico 17?

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Reply #1 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 5:57am
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U know Puck. U know yourself, and you know your boats....trust your gut.

I found it difficult to paddle the Q 17 solo on those early mornin' fishin' 4rayz, but I am 140 # soaked, backward-forwards...but it was doable heeled up at the midship.

I have had my son(4-8 yrs old) and 10 days of heavy gear in a Creekrunner, and felt aOK, with peaked 30"ers on Brule and larger on Sawbill. But I know her, and she is my dear friend.

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Reply #2 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 6:06am
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Is there room for Fido in the Merlin? I'd take the tandem if you asked Prism vs a 17'9" Cruiser. Even then, where do dogs 'like' to be in a canoe? Neither of us would appreciate mine by my feet.
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 9:18am
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Puckster wrote on Apr 10th, 2010 at 3:33am:
1. Can the Souris River Quetico 17 be paddled solo fairly easily?  
prouboy


Short answer is no. I've spent alot of time fishing with mine solo usually lightly loaded. A 10 mph crosswind will give you fits. The SRQ17 is really too wide to paddle from the middle unless you heel it over but check with the dog about doing that. With the light load you're going to have, there is going to be alot of canoe exposed to the wind no matter how she's trimmed. Still, depending on your dog's behavior the bigger canoe may be your better alternative.
  
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You could load the front of the 17 ft SR with a few rocks so you could paddle it from the back, but I think if you had any wind it would still be tough. I'm getting the bigger solo just because of the dog factor. The two of us together is over 300 lbs. I've paddled my old tandem solo a lot of years ago, but it's only 15ft and I wieghed like 150 lbs. so I could paddle it from the rear empty... well with my dog. That dog was made for canoeing. If you leaned one way she'd keep the canoe balanced leaning the other. If I asked her to move forward or back she would.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 12:24pm
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The better trip would be with a well behaved (will stay still in one part of the canoe) dog and the solo canoe.  With my dog you better take the barge.
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How big is your dog?

Try a test paddle at home first, loaded and unloaded.
  
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How big is your dog?

Try a test paddle at home first, loaded and unloaded.


Jim -- Puck is a 52# small golden retriever.  We've been taking the Merlin out on local lakes, loaded, for both of us to get used to things.  (Going out again tomorrow.)  It seems a little cramped, but I can make adjustments with gear and packs.


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Thanks to all of you for your advice!

Your responses, especially Kingfisher's note, have convinced me to take the Merlin.  What-the-hell, that's why I bought it! 

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Reply #9 - Apr 11th, 2010 at 4:39am
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Can you describe where your packs and dog will ride in the canoe? I've always wondered if I could do a true solo boat on a trip with the dingo. I'd like to envision how this works for you.
  
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Baxter is smaller [less than 50 lb] and very well behaved in the canoe.
The Merlin would be my first choice.

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Ranger wrote on Apr 11th, 2010 at 4:39am:
Can you describe where your packs and dog will ride in the canoe? I've always wondered if I could do a true solo boat on a trip with the dingo. I'd like to envision how this works for you.


I'm still learning.  There are many solo canoeists on this site that have this all figured out. 

As for me, after several practice trips on local lakes, the configuration I'll start with is:
A small pack wedged in the bow,
then the dog,
then me,
then a large pack immediately behind me,
then a small pack wedged up in the stern. 

On portages, I'll double pack my first trip over with the big pack and a little one. 
Second trip I'll wear the other small pack and carry the canoe.  Paddles and rod get attached to the thwarts.  Life jacket zipped around the seat. 

I'm sure when I'm in the bush I'll find the need to make adjustments to this arrangement.

The balance is good.  The boat handles fine.  The dog is getting his sea legs.  I'm feeling more confident with each day trip I take. 

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I carry the canoe on the first trip, so that it can be immediately loaded on completion of second trip. But, I'm not a solo paddler...
  
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Old Salt wrote on Apr 11th, 2010 at 7:53pm:
I carry the canoe on the first trip, so that it can be immediately loaded on completion of second trip. But, I'm not a solo paddler...


Neither am I!  Good idea.

I've attached a picture of one of my recent "practice" day trips.  Since this pic was taken, I've replaced the green Duluth pack with a longer, slimmer,lower profile pack made by Lowe Alpine.  Now I won't have  to wedge the Duluth pack in there. 

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That looks like a nice arrangement. Thanks for the pic, I had been wondering how it would all fit.

I would go with the solo, IMO.
  
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I should also note the paddle in the pic -- made by our own Paddlemaker! 

Sweet paddle.

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Old Salt wrote on Apr 11th, 2010 at 7:53pm:
I carry the canoe on the first trip, so that it can be immediately loaded on completion of second trip. But, I'm not a solo paddler...


IMHO I would tend to take the pack on the first trip in case you needed to clear a downed tree or if you had to make a choice where the path divided or even ended so you could have things figured out for when you brought the canoe over. I wouldn't think you'd put your canoe in the water and then go for your pack. I suppose in the BW you have less to worry about, but I have seen it.

Ya look good in the picture Prouboy... Does the dog have room to lay down comfortably? They do adapt, all she/he needs now is her/his own pack. I'd go with the MerlinII (Have you tried it in choppy water yet?)
  
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nctry_Ben wrote on Apr 11th, 2010 at 9:56pm:
Old Salt wrote on Apr 11th, 2010 at 7:53pm:
I carry the canoe on the first trip, so that it can be immediately loaded on completion of second trip. But, I'm not a solo paddler...


IMHO I would tend to take the pack on the first trip in case you needed to clear a downed tree or if you had to make a choice where the path divided or even ended so you could have things figured out for when you brought the canoe over. I wouldn't think you'd put your canoe in the water and then go for your pack. I suppose in the BW you have less to worry about, but I have seen it.

Ya look good in the picture Prouboy... Does the dog have room to lay down comfortably? They do adapt, all she/he needs now is her/his own pack. I'd go with the MerlinII (Have you tried it in choppy water yet?)


Puck can lie down, but so far he has chosen not to.  He gets excited (a bad thing), when he sees loons, and likes to put his front feet on the little pack, in essence, standing up.  I'm sure a deer or moose will get him really going.  I'm training him to always stay seated.  He already knows one rule -- can't leave the canoe until he gets my okay.  I think that'll help in approaching sketchy shoreline portages. 

I've got a large dog pack, but it's too big for him.  Not sure I want to go to the hassle of packing him. 

As for portaging, until now, I've always gone with others, and what to take over first is never an issue....  I portage the canoe and a small pack, and the others grab packs.  So the order of things hasn't been an issue.  I'll have to think about this some. 

Haven't been on choppy water.  Today I was chasing the wake of powerboats, but it wasn't the same.  I'll just go slow and careful.  Each time out I feel more comfortable in the boat and confident about making a trip.  I'm getting excited.  Being a fairly strong extrovert, soloing might not be my thing.  But Puck should help, and the freedom to just meander when and where I want seems so appealing. 

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Old Salt wrote on Apr 11th, 2010 at 7:53pm:
I carry the canoe on the first trip, so that it can be immediately loaded on completion of second trip. But, I'm not a solo paddler...


As one of the most quoted contributers to this thread, Grin let me clarify, that I was not suggesting that the canoe should be free-floating when you go back for second trip. Obviously, one would want to be sure the canoe was secure, before returning for second load. It could be loosely tied to a tree, or the guard K-9...
  
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As one of the most quoted contributers to this thread, Grin let me clarify, that I was not suggesting that the canoe should be free-floating when you go back for second trip. Obviously, one would want to be sure the canoe was secure, before returning for second load. It could be loosely tied to a tree, or the guard K-9... [/quote]

Being the most quoted can only mean your one of the most liked. I have a deep respect for you and all on the list.
  
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I've never paddled with a dog, but have heard it recommended to have a pad for the dog to lie on - keeps them from slipping on the bottom, and they will be more inclined to lie down for you

also, if I were you, I'd be training the dog to lie down on command, so that if you get into questionable conditions, it will be lieing still, not getting antsy - regardless of which boat you take

usually when I'm solo, I will take the big pack and my saw on the first trip - helps to know where the trail twists and turns and detours before you try it with the boat.  Also, if you wind up at a small landing where you'll have to load your boat in the water, its tough to find a situation where you can leave it tied off and floating in a place that will work -  I'll go boat first,  if on a well know trail, like Nym to Batch - there, I know I have a large landing I can safely leave the boat at and a known easy trail.
  
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Mad_Mat wrote on Apr 12th, 2010 at 1:33pm:
I've never paddled with a dog, but have heard it recommended to have a pad for the dog to lie on - keeps them from slipping on the bottom, and they will be more inclined to lie down for you

also, if I were you, I'd be training the dog to lie down on command, so that if you get into questionable conditions, it will be lieing still, not getting antsy - regardless of which boat you take


M_M -- good advice on the down command.  I use one of those old yellow dense foam pads, cut to fit.  It seems to work okay, and I can always use it in camp. 

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