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May 17th, 2010 at 1:50pm
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One of the last things on my list for this year is a fuel bottle for the extra white gas. I just can't bring myself to spend $20 on a 32 oz. MSR fuel bottle. I know one good reason to use one is the large saftey instructions on it and also the vented cap. But can I use a stainless steel water bottle if I label it well? Any inexpensive idea's?
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Reply #1 - May 17th, 2010 at 2:55pm
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Android wrote on May 17th, 2010 at 1:50pm:
One of the last things on my list for this year is a fuel bottle for the extra white gas. I just can't bring myself to spend $20 on a 32 oz. MSR fuel bottle. I know one good reason to use one is the large saftey instructions on it and also the vented cap. But can I use a stainless steel water bottle if I label it well? Any inexpensive idea's?
Andy


I don't care for the metal fuel bottles. I prefer to carry my fuel in the "add-on" side pockets on my canoe pack, or food pack.

I know some carry fuel in their packs, but I've seen the seal leak, and you know what happens then. Sooner or later your going to drop the metal fuel/water bottle. If it hits a sharp edge of a rock, and punctures, you can temporarily repair with waterproof tape IF it's a water bottle, but with fuel in it, you have a messy problem. Spilled fuel in a pack can damage synthetic gear, never mind the obnoxious smell.

I carry fuel in this in the 32 oz size. Has built in fuel funnel. Hard too find, but worth it, if you can get one?

Another option is use when I need another quart for extended trips, is the Coleman Brand Premium fuel containers. There usually sold where you get the familiar Coleman gallon cans. I get mine at the local K-Mart.

They sell a premium quart container that's Plastic. Similar in shape to a dry-gas bottle. The price is reasonable considering your getting the best fuel, and your getting a serviceable container for the price. I've used mine for a couple of trips, refilling out of the cheaper gallon can.


  
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Reply #2 - May 17th, 2010 at 4:30pm
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Solotripper has it right with the potential for leakage, don't forget the residual fuel in stove too. I carry the stoves and fuel bottles in a roll top sealine bag. The bag then gets hung on the pack with a carabiner on the portages and in the boat when on the water. Still run the old MSR bottles as that are remnants to my backpacking days. The sealine was a second that I picked up for a good price. Actually picked a couple of them up 20 years ago and first was finally retired last year as it doesn't hold air any longer. I agree the MSR bottles have gotten expensive, lucky I made the plunge years ago.
  
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Reply #3 - May 17th, 2010 at 4:42pm
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We typically use the MSR fuel bottles since we're using MSR stoves.  They have been on 10 canoe trips and over 100 backpacking trips.  The red paint is finally being worn off, but they still don't leak or have any concerning dents/dings.  We don't pack them on the outside of a pack, so they aren't subjected to direct blows from dropping a pack on the trail.

I'd caution against using a container designed for water, as the seal or lid components may not be up to the task.  We've also just used the Coleman gallon can for a trip.  It is more fragile, so you may want to baby it more, wrap in a sack, etc.  Check to make sure the fuel won't deteriorate whatever you're packing it in and around.
  
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Reply #4 - May 17th, 2010 at 4:53pm
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solotripper wrote on May 17th, 2010 at 2:55pm:
Another option is use when I need another quart for extended trips, is the Coleman Brand Premium fuel containers. There usually sold where you get the familiar Coleman gallon cans. I get mine at the local K-Mart.

They sell a premium quart container that's Plastic. Similar in shape to a dry-gas bottle. The price is reasonable considering your getting the best fuel, and your getting a serviceable container for the price. I've used mine for a couple of trips, refilling out of the cheaper gallon can.


I thought of using the 32oz. bottle that the gas came in but I thought that would be a rookie mistake (which I am, not a mistake but a rookie). I bought 2 of the bottles at the Wal-Mart. I used one to fill the stove (coleman two burner) and figured I would leave the other one sealed until I needed it. The bottle shouldn't leak from the cap because of the seal but I could pucture the bottle itself. I'm crossin' my fingers. I know the two burner is way to heavy but I'm young and willing to give it a try this one time. Now, is the full stove and the extra full 32oz. bottle enough gas for a six day trip in a week? It's four people but the other two have their own stove.
  
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Reply #5 - May 17th, 2010 at 5:46pm
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Android- I haven't used a Coleman 2 burner stove since the one my family bought in the early 80s.  Don't have any experience with it's fuel usage.  Of course, the fuel consumption depends on what you'll be doing.  How many meals a day will you cook?  Will cooking consist of just boiling water, a giant fish fry, baking, or what?  Off hand, I would expect that for 2 people and 6 days, 1 gallon of fuel is probably overkill, but it's probably better to have too much than too little.  If there aren't any burn restrictions, you can reduce the fuel you bring and plan on cooking over fire as a backup.
  
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Reply #6 - May 17th, 2010 at 9:32pm
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I don't see how you could puncture the Plastic Coleman bottle, or any plastic fuel bottle, IF you exercised some common sense.

Marlin55388 has the right idea, if you carry inside of pack.
I take a little extra precaution even in my outside add-on pockets.
I wrap my fuel bottles in thin foam material and secure with duct tape, sort of a fuel bottle Cozy Wink

You could do the same with traditional metal fuel bottles, whether stashed in pack or side pockets. A little extra protection from dings/dents.

I wouldn't worry about the Coleman 32 oz bottle leaking, even after you break the seal. I'm sure they figured you wouldn't be emptying it when you opened it, just refiling a camp stove of some type.

If it still worries you, get some cork gasket material, and make a gasket for the cap. Use the black auto gasket sealer or silicone. That will ensure a tight seal once opened.

Nothing the matter with the two burner stove, but as jjc mentioned, fuel consumption will be determined by usage and cooking habits.
I'd get the odd guy out to carry maybe another 32oz bottle, just in case.
I'd also pick ONE person to run the two burner (YOU) Grin

When I tripped with 3 other guys, we all had our own stoves. Problem was, I could count on at least two of the three too have stove issues, mostly from neglect/old fuel. Invariably, I would my stove and maybe on other one would be the ones cooking the meals and making hot water.

Two of the guys were helpless as far as cooking meals or camp chores.
They would run the stove at FULL blast and eat the fuel up as fast as I could re-fill it. I soon became the sole stove operator. I use a Peak 1 stove. It will run about 1 1/2 hours on full, 5 + hours on simmer. I seldom ever use anything but simmer or low. A few extra minutes waiting for water/food to cook is no big deal to me. Just means a few extra casts or some more firewood collected. The savings in fuel consumption is noticeable and worth the wait IMHO Wink

  
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Reply #7 - May 17th, 2010 at 11:55pm
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Not sure how old your "green suitcase" is, but I'd test it out to see what it's burn rate is.  Most of the ones I've seen are gas guzzlers.  Add the weight of the extra gas you'll burn to the excess weight of your "suitcase" vs. the weight of two single-burner stoves and you'll find you are carrying *pounds* of extra weight.

2x32=64 which is half a gallon, not a gallon like somebody suggested.  I'd definitely bring a 3rd quart.

BTW if the stability of the suitcase is what is driving you to take it, you can mimic that stability by bringing a fire grate and setting two single-burner stoves beneath it.  Use fireplace rocks to set the grate on and to level it.

IMHO, single-burner stoves pay for themselves in many ways.  Reduced weight, reduced fuel useage, packability, reliability, etc.
  
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Reply #8 - May 18th, 2010 at 4:47am
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Android,
I may be the only one who still uses an old two burner Coleman stove.  I bought my stove in about 1974.  Other than getting a new pump for the generator everything still works.  It is heavy, but provides a stable cooking surface and two burners can be convenient.  For a week with 4 guys, I would fill the tank on the stove and bring an extra gallon.  I just use a one gallon plastic gas can you can buy at Wal-Mart, Target or Menards for a couple of bucks.  To portage just carry the stove in one hand and the gas can in the other and a large pack on your back.  You need to bring a funnel to fill the tank.  You don't pack the gas in anything,  Just put the gallon container on the bottom of your canoe.
I highly recommend that you bring two small cigarette lighters and not rely on matches.  I have found that on rainy, damp days that matches are hard to light.  You can still bring matches, but use the lighter to light the match.  Then use the match to light your stove.

The biggest waste of gas is continuing to heat water after it is hot.

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Reply #9 - May 18th, 2010 at 10:54am
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Thanks everyone for all the comments and helpful advice. Solotripper, fuel bottle cozy? Very Cliff Jacobson of you, just kidding. I have some foam laying around I will try to make something. My stove is brand new, kudos Westwood for keeping your stove running all these years. Not to mention that that stove is older than me, my older sister and only four years younger than my older brother Grin. Now with the fire ban done  (still crossin' fingers) we can cook and heat water over the fire.
  
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