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winonah aderondak as a solo canoe
Jul 5th, 2010 at 10:20pm
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I'm planning a solo trip and being cash poor, I'm thinking of using a buddy's winonah adirondack canoe. The plan is to paddle backwords sitting in the bow seat facing the stern with all the gear in front of me. The rought I'm planning does not include any big water. Any one tried this, and how did it work?
  
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Re: winonah aderondak as a solo canoe
Reply #1 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 6:55am
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Just comparing specs it's shorter and wider than the tandem I normally solo. Last trip, I borrowed KF's Prism. I didn't like it all that much but it really shined in the wind. Times where I'd might hold up with a tandem and two paddlers, the thing plowed thorough no problem. It was an enlightening moment for me yet my tandem has been paddled backwards for a whole lotta miles. Mine is quite a bit narrower though and you didn't give any clue as to your experience. Everything works with the right whatever.... Never had a problem....
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 11:43am
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Thanks for the input. My canoe (a sauris river wilderness 18) would not work at all. It has a sliding bow seat, and there is a cross bracket right behind the seat. Even if I did use it, it is so long and has so much freeboard that even light winds would blow me around. I looked at renting a prism, but I've never rented a canoe before and the $150 + price tag would almost triple the cost ot the 5 day trip. Any cheaper ideas out there?

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Re: winonah aderondak as a solo canoe
Reply #3 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 12:03pm
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One thought is for traveling loaded you shouldn't have to paddle the canoe backwards from the front seat. I've always been able to paddle my short tandem from the stern when loaded and only paddled it backwards sometimes when empty. Just put your packs and such up front to hold the canoe down. You have a ton more power and control from the back seat in MHO. I sold an Aderondak to a guy not having a chance to paddle it or anything. I think it would be a good boat. But like db when I saw the specs, I was surprized at how wide it is. If it is possible borrow the boat for a day and put about the amount of wieght you'll be carrying in the front and try it out. The only thing about soloing and especially from the stern is without a bow man you don't get to see those hidden rocks and react. So you might bump a few... I never flipped and it was rarely a problem for me. Good luck...
  
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Re: winonah aderondak as a solo canoe
Reply #4 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 1:39pm
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I've bow-backwards paddled several boats like this without problems.
  
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Re: winonah aderondak as a solo canoe
Reply #5 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 7:42pm
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I agree with ben. The last solo I did I just put my gear as far forward as I could and paddled it normal. The only time I had any problems was on the way out I had to cross Snowbank with a hard cross wind so I kneeled on the floor slightly ahead of the rear seat. Other than that I rode nice. I paddle a Penoscott 17.
  
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Re: winonah aderondak as a solo canoe
Reply #6 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 9:09pm
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nctry_Ben wrote on Jul 6th, 2010 at 12:03pm:
You have a ton more power and control from the back seat in MHO.

No offence, not true.

Power comes from technique & strength.  More technique than strength, but of course a stronger paddler of equal skill to a weaker paddler is going to do better in a headwind.  Stacked hands, short strokes, cadence.  Bentshaft paddles are basically a correction to poor technique.

Control comes from being near the center of the canoe.  Where you can reach for draw/pry to correct.  Check out solo freestyle action on youtube.  That's all about control.  They sit in the middle.

Folks over at (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) would be able to give you some solid info & tips for this boat.  Folks who know more than I.

I paddle a Wenonah Prospector 15' both tandem & solo.  There's one mod on the boat that helps both me soloing and my bowmen when we tandem.  The bow seat was moved towards center about 12".  More legroom for my bowman du jour.  Me closer to midpoint when soloing.
  
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Re: winonah aderondak as a solo canoe
Reply #7 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 1:24am
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I'm referring to paddling the canoe backwards vs from the stern. I find reaching out so much farther in a wider canoe from the reversed bow seat vs paddling closer to your body in the stern I have a lot better control, power, and able to paddle a lot farther without tiring. I agree, a solo canoe would be more efficient and all, because your width of the canoe is made for that kind of paddling. I don't think I'll ever go back to a tandem canoe for solo. Another factor in my thinking the tandem he's considering is okay besides the money factor is I found getting used to the solo took a little getting used to. I'd want to paddle one a bit before taking it on a trip vs getting in and paddling one loaded on possibly a windy day having not paddled one before. You'd enjoy the trip a lot better. If it was so much better to paddle canoes backwards we'd all be doing it.
  
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Re: winonah aderondak as a solo canoe
Reply #8 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 1:57am
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The way I understand it, the closer you get to the stems the easier it is to steer. You can help overcome this by using a longer paddle to extend your reach.

If bentshafts are for correcting poor technique, then why do all of the racers use them?





  
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Re: winonah aderondak as a solo canoe
Reply #9 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 2:13am
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I guess you could try it both ways... But I have 32yrs paddling my rather wide tandem solo and I hate paddling it from the front seat backwards very far. I do it a lot as I live on a lake and paddle it a lot to go across to visit my dad vs driving a couple miles. I paddle it backwards since I put on so much wieght and put a fat guy in the back of a canoe alone... Just putting someone in the bow and not paddling, I can way out perform me olone paddling backwards. Maybe I'm just wierd... I know another member of this forum paddles a Minn 2 and when he goes off fishing alone he puts a rock in the bow and away he goes. He might have tractor seats and a thwart... So it would be kind of awkward to sit backwards. I would be up to learn some techniques to improve my abilities if I'm totally out of whack here. I just experianced what they mean by sit and switch in my solo on my last trip. I did a good stretch in very good time. I normally can paddle one side for hours otherwise.
  
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