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Aug 14th, 2010 at 12:08pm
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As a figurative packhorse on and off the trail in my earlier outdoor years I am slowly coming to the conclusion that, even though I like "my stuff," I had better ease up a bit on the weight of my gear.

With that thought in mind I decided a down bag was required. ( That thought initially put there my Marlin and re-enforced by SD and KF) A Go-Light bag was soon in the mail. But wait, what was this.....SD was trumpeting his Big Agnes bag and when KF seconded it the Go-Light  was soon happily traveling back home.

I settled on the 30 degree Fish hawk and the insulated pad. This seems to be a perfect set-up for june -sept. The bag Itself has quite a few additional features which makes it a good value. The neat thing was how the pad slides into the rear of a specially designed slot underneath the bag. This keeps the bag continually centered over the pad. Like to twist and turn at night?........You won't be in a knot in the morning struggling to find the zipper.

That is especially important with a bag that seems to be comprised of mostly air. Man is it light. And coupled with a compression stuff sack I  save a lot of space.

I picked up the insulated pad mostly because I liked the thougt of some additional protection while I was folding it up. Spring a leak with this pad and you will for all intents and purposes be sleeping on the ground. The pad itself packs up to the size of a large grapefruit and I think is about a pound. That is huge weight and space savings over my luxury edition therm-a-rest.

Negatives? The 30 degree rating is a bit generous. I'm not sure I would be excited about sleeping in the low 40s with it. But I'm always prepared, however, with additional long underwear and fleece hat and fleece "wading socks" for nippy weather. The pad takes a bit of lung power to inflate. Yes it's a bit additional work compared to the therm but with the space and weight saving for a comparable good sleep it's no contest in my book. The pad doesn't break down as fast either. One trick I have found is to release the valve and go and have breakfast. She will be well on her way to seeing things your way.

I strongly suggest you house your bag while on the trail in a waterproof stuff sack. I use a waterproof compression sack which I snug only gently. This of course helps to insure your bag won't get soaked. If it does it's useless and could put you in trouble. So, make sure your tent zipper is shut while your out fishing.
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Re: Big Agnes Pad and Bag
Reply #1 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 7:12pm
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Good info as my bag of over thirty years is so thin I couldn't think of cleaning it or for that matter using it another year. I've heard of the Big Agnes too and have my sights on something for next year. I'm one that gets cold easy in my older years and would opt for a  fifteen or twenty degree bag since I like early and later trips besides my summer excursions. Wow though... Looks like a Big Agnus of that temp range is close to a $400 bill if not more. Is cleaning these bags a problem? I'd spend the money if I knew I'd be happy with it. I got a 0 degree bag from Gander Mtn, but it's so big and heavy. Luckily the weather was a lot warmer than usual for my May trip so I didn't have to bring it. Even with a compresion sack it's big. So I'd be interested in any input people have on  Mastertanglers post.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 10:13pm
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Yo Ben,
I think some of the Quiet Journey community has the Lost Ranger bag (15 degree). I didn't think the price was out of line for a down bag at $220 considering all the features. The Pad will run a bit as well.

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Reply #3 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 12:04am
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Wow, it looks like a great bag at a good price. Sounds like they've improved it some in the last year or so. Thanks...
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 2:05pm
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I have the Lost Ranger bag and the Air Core insulated mattress but I have never slept in it. My wife uses it all summer long. With this system I/she would highly recommend an insulated mattress.
When we camp together she sleeps comfortably inside her Big Agnes setup while I use a 40 degree synthetic bag on top of an uninsulated Air Core and rarely get inside the bag. Go figure. I do spend most nights chasing my mattress around the tent, she never does.

Our 5 year old mattress has failed. It developed multiple seepage type leaks all on one end. We returned it to Big Agnes and are awaiting their evaluation and decision.

  
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Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 5:55pm
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What kind of warranty is there?
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 8:20pm
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nctry_Ben wrote on Aug 15th, 2010 at 5:55pm:
What kind of warranty is there?

I don't know what the warranty is but when I reported the failure to Big Agnes they agreed to have a look at the mattress and then decide if it qualified for replacement.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 8:15pm
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Kingfisher wrote on Aug 15th, 2010 at 2:05pm:
Our 5 year old mattress has failed. It developed multiple seepage type leaks all on one end. We returned it to Big Agnes and are awaiting their evaluation and decision.



Big Agnes replaced the mattress. A new one arrived today.
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 10:03pm
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Glad to hear it when a manufacturer actually stands by the product and is willing to learn from failures rather than accusing the customer of maltreatment.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 6:04pm
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Down bags will save you a little weight and a lot of space compared to synthetics, but (as mt says) they're not very comfortable if they accidentally get wet (not just in the canoe, but from tent leaks in the rain as well). I think any down or synthetic sleeping bag will fit into a 60 cm (2 ft) ziplock bag, much better than a stuff sack for water protection. If you don't have a spare big ziplock, the free trash bags that Ontario Parks hands out are perfect as an *extra* sleeping bag wrapper (they won't be 100% watertight).

Well cared for, down bags should last nearly forever. I've had a "-2 to -4" deg C bag for 30 years or so, and with occasional hand-washings with down soap and uncompressed storage (ie not in the stuff sack), the temperature rating is probably still close to original (ie probably close to a new 30 F bag). For summer trips, I find it too hot when I go to sleep at night, but not so bad in the early morning when I don't want to get up.

A 30 deg F bag is probably good if you plan a lot of shoulder season camping, but I'd go with something lighter (and probably synthetic) if I were looking at just summer use. I wouldn't buy a 15 deg F bag unless I was planning a lot of winter camping. I have always found it easier to make up for a bag that's a bit too thin for the conditions by putting on socks / tights / fleece (or worst case, opening up the space blanket) than trying to fine-tune a down bag that's too thick for the conditions. You can also buy an extra "overbag" to boost the insulation of a 30 F bag for trips where you're planning to use your canoe as an icebreaker.

My ThermaRest is 30 years old too, and I have never had any problems. It still looks nearly new, and keeps me warm even on well-frozen ground. It is a "first-generation", non-deluxe, and weighs 1100 g (about 2.5 lb).

I don't have any experience with the brand names mentioned by others in this thread, but $220 for a good down bag seems quite inexpensive. FWIW, here are links to REI and MEC's sleeping bag / pad advice pages. They say mostly the same thing.

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