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Reply #110 - Dec 14th, 2010 at 11:00pm
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I guess my map case may be more flexible than your.  When I tried the bungee approach, the weight of the case pulled it in from both sides until it was beginning to fold in the middle.  The dealee-bobs have enough "bite" to solve that problem for me.  I even played around with one of those retractable key-chain things a bit, but decided against that solution ... maybe "overthinking" the problem.

My post was more aimed at a solution for GPS/Depth finder rigging.  On traveling days, I'll just tilt the depth finder screen back so the bottom half of the map case rests on top of it at ~ 45 degree angle.  I've had no issues with being able to see the map, unless the case gets a little rain on it ... then I'll sometimes have to wipe it off to see it more clearly.  (Anyone tried any Rain-X on their map case?)

Besides, I print my own maps for my trips so I can produce them in "Big Chief" size.  I also tend to tweak up the contrast colors between land and water a bit so shore line is a bit easier to distinguish.   Grin

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Reply #111 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 12:45am
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"upon further review" there should be a few things I should make mention of. My map case is of the smaller variety measuring some 15"x15". Stiffer than most larger cases. Also my pro pack snugs right up against my forward thwart so the case has a nice place for a bit of support behind it.

I am of mixed feelings about the mounting of the GPS and depth finder. I have never had a GPS with me and my depth finder was of the portable variety and it sat at the bottom of the boat. I want to ditch the housing and mount it more or less permanently.

For viewing reasons I would prefer to have it mounted at or above the thwart but you have a valid point about having it recessed below the gunnels to avoid any hangups with limbs. The nice thing about the RAM mount is that it is quickly infinitely and securely adjustable. The thought of an additional RAM mount could be a solution but it pops another 3/4 lb on. Cry  Maybe I should stop being a woos about it and slap it on there.

I'm sure the old time trippers are laughing right now as I'm worried about putting a few extra pounds on a 35lb boat when they regularly portage a 70lb boat.  Roll Eyes





  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #112 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 12:54am
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DentonDoc wrote on Dec 14th, 2010 at 11:00pm:
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 (Anyone tried any Rain-X on their map case?)

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Does it rain up there?  Grin

I think your thwart is closer to you that mine is to me in my Encounter. I'm thinking of making a mount off my seat pedestal for my gps. Maybe if I lose enough weight I can get a prism like you guys. Or maybe put in a thwart closer to the seat... they don't weigh much.
  
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Reply #113 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 3:06am
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nctry_Ben wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 12:54am:
DentonDoc wrote on Dec 14th, 2010 at 11:00pm:
MT-

 (Anyone tried any Rain-X on their map case?)

dd


Does it rain up there?  Grin



NOW YOUV'E WENT AND DONE IT!! Angry..................Let me know what days your going so I can make sure not to be there Wink Grin

Ben I run a Bell Merlin and am pleased as punch with it. I would like to paddle a prism just for kicks, they look to be a good ride.

What is your gunnel material? I opted for metal because it is easier to machine. If so you might consider a Ram mount bolted right to your gunnel. I have two side mounts for a rod holder bolted right onto my gunnels.

All this talk has caused me to re-evaluate how to mount the GPS and depth finder. Using the Ram mount underneath instead of on top the thwart seems like the obvious way to go, all things considered. The mount itself not as heavy as I remembered. The mount and garmin 60csx goes about 1 lb. I really like the adjustability that the Ram mount is able to achieve. Maybe that could be a solution for you. They have them in just about every configuration to hold almost anything.




  
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Reply #114 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:28am
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Just got done reading Mike Kinzingers account of his 2010 trip into WCP on canoestories.com.

Of particular interest to me was his description of his traverse of the Haggert river. While he doesn't make mention of it, it sounds quite beautiful. What he does make mention of is the hairy portage landings. Evidently during high water they are a trifle close to the action.

I will have to add a new wrinkle to my canoeing skills. And that would be jumping out of the boat and grabbing the bank before catastrophe strikes. I haven't tried that before.......never had a need. Might as well practice crawling out via the bow to. All stuff I've never done.

I have never secured my stuff inside my boat either. I'm wondering if the more experienced trippers lash stuff down or let them float out after a capsize when in a more wilderness setting? I'm inclined to secure my loads after reading this. Evidently there is very little room for error during high water conditions on the Haggert. Sounds exciting though.....NO SCREWUPS........CAPICHE?? (might as well start practicing my mantra now  Wink )
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #115 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 6:02am
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mastertangler wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:28am:
I will have to add a new wrinkle to my canoeing skills. And that would be jumping out of the boat and grabbing the bank before catastrophe strikes. I haven't tried that before.......never had a need. Might as well practice crawling out via the bow to. All stuff I've never done.

H E L L O!  I DIDN'T get a pulled muscle in my back on a WCP solo last season from STEPPING out of my canoe in a non-threatening scenario.  Let's just say that running the Quetico Falls Chain in high water was good practice for my WCP trip and I still managed to find a few challenges in WCP.

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I have never secured my stuff inside my boat either. I'm wondering if the more experienced trippers lash stuff down or let them float out after a capsize when in a more wilderness setting? I'm inclined to secure my loads after reading this. Evidently there is very little room for error during high water conditions on the Haggert. Sounds exciting though.....NO SCREWUPS........CAPICHE?? (might as well start practicing my mantra now  Wink )

Not lashing your stuff in your canoe?  Do you REALLY love swimming after your gear.  And YES, I DO secure my gear ... carabiners make for reasonably fast connections to your boat or other packs that are secure to the boat.

Do you carry a bailer (that you can get to while you are in your seat)?

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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #116 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:52pm
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mastertangler wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:28am:
Just got done reading Mike Kinzingers account of his 2010 trip into WCP on canoestories.com....

What he does make mention of is the hairy portage landings. Evidently during high water they are a trifle close to the action.....


I have never secured my stuff inside my boat either. I'm wondering if the more experienced trippers lash stuff down or let them float out after a capsize when in a more wilderness setting? I'm inclined to secure my loads after reading this. Evidently there is very little room for error during high water conditions on the Haggert. Sounds exciting though.....NO SCREWUPS........CAPICHE?? (might as well start practicing my mantra now  Wink )



MT -

They've had some EXCEPTIONALLY high water in WCP over the past couple seasons.  I'm not sure I'd try some of those Mike Kinziger escapades SOLO in the first place; certainly IF I did, I'd make every effort to last down my gear.

Mostly these days I'm doing lake-oriented trips so I don't worry about lashing down too much unless the water is really churning.  My Prism has a Cooke Custom Sewing spray skirt cover which serves much of the purpose of lashing down.  Even then I'd lash my gear in whitewater conditions.

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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #117 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 3:02pm
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I'm thinkin' that MT has not seen this years snowpack, 3 1/2' (feet) in my yard. More up north. Might make for an interesting Spring and Summer. It is still December, and we typically add feet more in Jan-Mar. I'm very thankful for my big blower. Cool
  
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Reply #118 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 3:18pm
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Yikes! Glad I'm planning going in August and not June Smiley Smiley.

  
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Reply #119 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 4:13pm
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mastertangler wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 3:18pm:
Yikes! Glad I'm planning going in August and not June Smiley Smiley.



I think June will be an interesting month. I plan on doing the Minjim route paddling a circle route and entering the actual Minjim route from
Royd. I think the extra water will be a good thing through the "Nile" section and possibly other places. I'm going back I hope in July and will be interested to see the difference in waterlevels. The boot sucking portages will be the worst.

I haven't been very good at lashing my gear in on lake travel. But in the WCPP the risks are so much greater. I never heard of a ditch kit before this year and feel that is a no brainer too. There was discussion on another site also on this. I wonder sometimes what world I've been living in. I got to thinking my way of lashing when I do lash my stuff in is flawed... I'm thinking of drilling holes in my gunnels and making loops where I can whip up a quick sort of net to hold my stuff in. I know we have an actual net sort of made for that on our rescue sled for our fire dept. The sled is pulled behind our snowmobile for remote rescues and the net is sort of thin bungee material. My packs stick up to high for a cover I think. I do usually tie in my portage yoke. Couldn't imagine losing that on a trip. Up there there is no room for error, so my next few months are going to be spent preplanning these important aspects. How many people go without even dry run putting packs in canoes to see how they fit? I made that mistake a couple years ago. We had three people in a Winonah Minn 3. It was a May trip and we packed heavy, in my opinion. My duluth pack ended up with a broken buckle from jamming the packs in a tight space. I think we'd have been much better off with a tandem and a solo with that much gear.
  
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