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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #120 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 5:47pm
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My thinking for June in WCP with consecutive years of wet weather would be to be ready for the winged menace. I bet the bugs might be a little tough.

That high water probably would be a benefit on your route though Ben.
The netting might be a hassle to unhook and hook at portage landings though. If your a chicken like me and not apt to paddle in the breakers away from shore you might get by not tying in at all. I'm thinking a biner clipped into a strap around a thwart sort of thing for on the river. I think my bags will float for the most part anyway and I just don't want them going for a ride down the river. My thinking is a leash of sorts. Maybe an eyebolt through my railing would be better. Sure wouldn't want a damaged thwart.

If I ever move up to being a white water man I would have to follow suit with Jimbo and get a spray cover. The Bloodvein to Winnipeg sounds like a lot of fun to me.
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #121 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 6:14pm
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I lash my gear in all the time, lake/river in any conditions. Last thing a solo paddler needs is to be chasing after or losing gear after you dump.

Many ways to secure your gear from mild to wild. I find a simple line run from bow to center of my seat with carabiners clipped to pack straps will keep packs in in most situations other than swift whitewater.
When you get your swamped canoe into water you can stand in, it's easy to un-clip packs and pull from under line.

I would practice some landing skills before you hit high water/heavy current conditions. I have a painter line for bow and stern, coiled on left/right of my seat. You can use a Velcro strap or some other one hand quick release device to secure while paddling/portaging.

Make it from rope that FLOATS,  and has no loops or knots that can snag and overturn canoe if you lose hold of your line.

I'm sure you know this, but for any Newbies, it might be worth repeating.  Heading into a current, you can land bow first or better yet, sideways to current/bank. Step out from canoe with bowline in hand and secure it after pulling bow up if possible. If you can't, secure bowline and stern line. This will keep the current from swinging the stern out if you can't land on shore.

Current at your back is a little more tricky, and I bet has dumped more canoes than many will care to admit.
Best bet is to ease as close to shore as you can, pass by the landing, and then back paddle into landing and step out quickly with stern-line. Tie it off if possible, or pull stern up onto secure landing. You can tie off stern and then bow, if your finding yourself unloading on steep bank/rock.

Whatever you do, don't run your bow into landing with a strong current at your back Cry Once you elevate bow, the current will swing the stern out and over you go. Loose gear and canoe are heading down stream with you either in the water, or running along the bank cursing your stupidity Grin

Bad enough with a tandem canoe/partner or group, but potentially fatal and trip ending when traveling solo.
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #122 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 10:59pm
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Good advice. Thank you for sharing it. Smiley

I am wondering about the painters trailing from the bow and stern to your seat though. I have mine coiled and secured to the handpulls. Please understand I am not insinuating what's right or wrong as I am truly in need of instruction as I am mostly self taught by trial and error and what I have read in books.

Aren't you concerned that the lines could tangle in some gear at the worst possible moment :question  
  
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Reply #123 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 11:19pm
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Aren't you concerned that the lines could tangle in some gear at the worst possible moment


After I load my canoe, I carefully lay the bow/stern lines on top of the packs keeping them as taut as possible. Yes, there's always that chance they may get tangled if you have a lot of miscellaneous gear mounted, but tied to the bow/stern pulls you have zero chance of getting to them when you need them most.

Paddling open water I sometimes tie them off to bow/stern pulls, but in rivers/streams I want them readily accessible. The reason you use floating rope with no knots or loops in loose end is that if the rope sinks and hangs up on a submerged rock/branch, your lines can snag and turn you over.

I suppose if you were really worried about them snagging on gear, you could route them under gunnel's securing them with a small Velcro loop, or some type of little clip, enough to keep them in place but light enough you don't tip canoe when you deploy them.

I've never had a problem just leaving them laying taut on tops of packs, but I don't hang gear off my packs, so you should plan accordingly.
  
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Reply #124 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 12:11am
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Shoot, I'm going to have to think about this for a while. I have all kinds of stuff a rope could get tangled on.

Reels, GPS, depth finder, sandals and so on. I see the advantage but wonder if the cure might end up being worse than the disease.

I'll take a peek after I get a hold of the boat and load up. I like the idea of being able to jump out rope in hand especially if you slip and have to recover yourself. A possible, even likely event given a little growth on the rocks. Easy to picture the boat, minus it's operator, continuing its sightseeing tour.

That........would be a sinking feeling................... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
       
  
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Reply #125 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 4:53pm
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Ok, Many of you have probably noticed I'm not shy about giving my opinion on things I feel might be beneficial to others. By the same token I'm not above asking for help on things I am woefully inadequate on and am the first to admit it.

I have loaded the Garmin topo program last night and am still becoming familiar with it. Little by little I'll get there. What I haven't tried yet is taking the email info I have received and applying it. I have never done anything with email other than read it or forward it. Just curious as to a general direction and what I'm trying to do? I haven't even tried anything yet but it might be nice to know WHAT I'm trying to do before I attempt it.

  
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Reply #126 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:37pm
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Hopefully, the data you are talking about in conjunction to your e-mail is in the form of attachment ... a file.

If that is the case, you want to save the file (files) to your computer's hard drive (disc).  Depending on your e-mail system, if you click your mouse on the name of the file you will get a list of choices of what you want to do with the file.  (In some systems, this is a right-button mouse click.  You may also have to indicated that you wish to allow the download (file saving) before you can proceed further.  This process is a function of your virus protection software and/or firewall.)  Select the "Save As" option and your computer will respond with a window indicating where it is about to save the material and its file name.  These default choices (location and name) may be OK with you, but I find it desirable to keep mapping files mostly in the same general locations  (and not necessarily "My Documents").  It is generally NOT a good idea to change the file name extension (the part following the period in the full file name, as this is often used by software as a "recognition symbol".)  In any case, once the file is saved, you can then go to your Garmin Mapsource and open the file.  If it is a compatible file, then it will be loaded (you may notice changes to the content of whatever was previously in the left window of your screen, where current "resources" are listed.  However, you may not see them on the map (unless the last map viewed was for the same general area as the positions indicated by the new data).  The quickest way to get all parts on the "same page" is to click on one of the items in your left-window and then ask the software to show that location on the map.  (One drawback of the software here, in my opinion, is that it will zoom to a level that magnifies that location ... which means you'll need to zoom back out to get a meaningful perspective).

Let me now how this works and then we'll talk about something more complicated.  Also, I'm doing this off the top of my head and I could have omitted something important.

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Reply #127 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 8:01pm
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These here computer type gadjets are a might bit weird (that's my hillbilly lingo.....don't take offense, I definitely qualify on my Dads side).

Well, without a clue as to what I was doing I downloaded the file, then clicked on it, the basecamp icon started jumping in my dock and bingo it's all there. All I can say is WOW! OK, I'll play around for a week or two and see where I get. DD, I have a Mac so there is no left click right click for me. This ought to be fun Smiley.
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #128 - Dec 30th, 2010 at 2:53am
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DD,
Rather than pose these questions privately I am hoping the time you are taking may benefit others as well. And I do thank you for your time BTW. It will be my intention to be a blessing back to you some day.

I have received Martins list of portages, campsites and points of interest. The list automatically appeared in my Basecamp list column as did all the icons on the map itself.

I have spent the last hour trying to gain control of the list. What I would like to do is to remove the icons from the map and deal with them piecemeal or one at a time. Adding and removing them as I see fit. Certainly that must be possible, correct :question.
  
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Reply #129 - Dec 30th, 2010 at 3:54am
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And one more question I have. Is Basecamp and Mapsource the same type of program. What you'd use to transfer data from computer to gps? One thing I did was get rid of Basecamp and load everything into Mapsource. Then too I realized I had to be careful or somethings are limited as to how many you can load... Such as tracks. I can only load twenty at a time. Martin has quite a few. The first time I loaded the first twenty on the list thinking I'd get em all. Then I had to manually delete each one. It's time consuming as you learn about these things.
  
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