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 25 MT's WCPP trip (Read 91165 times)
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #150 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 7:45am
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Wink Damn socialists!  Grin

Honestly I'm glad you're alright and stuff. You bought the insurance and it paid off. That's all good but perhaps there should be a co-pay or something. I'm tired and I have drifted into a scary swamp and now feel oh so over my head!

I once worked with a guy who drew a panic button in his work area with a fat Sharpie. We'd all go in and bang on it occasionally. Of course it didn't do anything but we knew it would always make him chuckle and know when we needed his full attention. When it wasn't a request but a demand.

MT - You only answered the one question I already knew the answer to. Funny that.
  
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Reply #151 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 1:22pm
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Please, don't mention politics even if your just kidding around! All that many had prognosticated (including myself) is coming true in whirlwind fashion. It has become beyond disconcerting.

I suppose the only question left unanswered is "what is meant by doubling in that context".........Good question as it was not expanded upon.

Several of my earliest portages were short and rather than "load" my pack (I strap a duffel on top of my pack) I had decided to triple. When I hit the 1k portage it was about 5 P.M. and I wanted to save some time. I had put some pressure on myself with time constraints by shortening the days to accomplish the entire route and now I was curious to see what sort of mileage could be made the 1st day. Naturally an additional trip down a 1k portage would eat into my afternoon rather significantly.

Alas......crash and burn when I went to put my pack on. But wait, there's more Wink.....I had shouldered the whole load earlier in the day with no problem but now, later in the day, I struggled and redoubled my efforts to get the pack on and down I went. A bit depleted later in the day? Um, the answer would be yes.....

Perhaps for some that would seem unusual or unwise but for me that was fairly common........that is to sometimes have difficulty shouldering a load and have to muscle it in place. But now there is a chink in the armor.

As a kid it was common for me to place 2 big flattails pushing 60lbs a piece into a wicker packbasket and and walk out of a swamp and up steep country indeed. Those days are long gone but they are tough to let go of.

My new reality is one of considering pressure on discs in my back and unsteady knee joints. It is what it is. Had I triple portaged that 1k I might have been able to continue but for how long? It is likely that sooner or later my weakness would of revealed itself and there was a good chance it wouldn't of been in such a "rescue friendly" spot. (That spit of sand was the only spot like it I had seen all day)

In the future I will give greater consideration to triple portaging although I loathe  Sad the idea. The initial feelings will probably change though as I breeze down the trails all light and lively. Plus I will only have to employ the tactic early on when supplies are full. So what if it adds an extra hour to my portages for the day and perhaps I don't get as far. The only appointment I need to keep is with Mr. Big right at dark.
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #152 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 2:40pm
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In the future I will give greater consideration to triple portaging although I loathe   the idea. The initial feelings will probably change though as I breeze down the trails all light and lively. Plus I will only have to employ the tactic early on when supplies are full. So what if it adds an extra hour to my portages for the day and perhaps I don't get as far. The only appointment I need to keep is with Mr. Big right at dark.


I'd bet more injuries occur in the first few days of a trip than the last ones?
All the workouts you do, unless they involve actual paddling/portaging are never going to completely replicate actual conditions. First day, your asking you body to do a " workout" that it hasn't seen in awhile, sorta like expecting to keep up your first time doing your PX90 DVD.
You might of ended up hurting yourself down the road, but then you might of found that a few easy does it days would have allowed you to acclimate to a " new" workout? You/We will never know for sure.

It's one thing to muscle a load occasionally but when it becomes a habit, your asking for trouble and eventually you'll find it, sooner if you already have physical issues.

You can either lighten your load so you don't have to muscle it up every time, 3x portage until/if you feel comfortable/secure or plan trips that you don't have any hard portages.
That would limit your options significantly. From what we know of you, I'd say 3X portaging ( at least at first) would be a lot easier to swallow than be resigned to the easy road, well traveled Wink

Now you know why I recommended some of my "tricks" for putting on heavy packs. I have no physical issues and can still heft a load, but considering what's at stake and taking the long view, why would I if there's an easier option Cool


  
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Reply #153 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 4:05pm
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I did actually give serious consideration to your advice ST. I flipped my boat and stacked 2 duffels on top and then placed my main bag on top to access my pack. It wasn't bad but I still didn't like it.

It still felt like an accident waiting to happen from my perspective.

I am wising up. A quiet determination to achieve the best shape of my life has been foisted upon me by this event. Nothing is off the table and that includes plenty of visits to doctors to get a better understanding of just what the problems are.

Then a dose of humility will be applied. Even if I am in shape my intention is to either lighten my load (probably not happening to any great extent) or step a bit lighter which will mean accepting a triple portage mentality at least in the initial stages of a trip. I think it would be a smart move to limit packs to around 60lbs instead of 80.
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #154 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 7:03pm
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I think it would be a smart move to limit packs to around 60lbs instead of 80


I believe KF posted about this subject at one time. He's in great shape, bushwhacks on a regular basis, so he knows of what he speaks.

If I understand right, you were trying to lift multiple items using my bow lifting tip?  Problem with this is as much about weight distribution/balance points as weight.
Before I had a dedicated food pack, I had a big waterproof duffel bag that I carried food/kitchen items in.
One time early on, I decided that since it was a very short portage, I would carry my gear pack as usual and take my food duffel and set across top of pack behind my head.
The duffel had 2 haul loops each end and that's what I was holding onto when I found out the hard-way about ignoring the rule about keeping your pack weight close to lower back/hips.
Even though I had no problem setting duffel across pack and could handle the weight, it set the balance ( tipping) point to high above my centerline. The duffel itself was heavier on one end than the other do to the way my food/cooking utensils were packed.
I hit a little slippery rocky patch and stepped down on one side to keep from falling. As soon as I stepped down the extra weight toppled me over. Fortunately, the duffel fell off and I ended up in the turtle position. Embarrassed at my own folly but unhurt.
When you rehab, try the bow trick with just a pack. I think it will feel way different than trying to lift multiple items which if I understand correctly is what you were doing?
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #155 - Aug 11th, 2011 at 5:43am
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I take a lot of stuff too and triple all the time. Don't think of it as an extra arduous trip. Think three easy trips. And instead of trudging along, you can be nimble and quick about it. Plus you don't have to sit and rest before you paddle away.
  
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Reply #156 - Aug 13th, 2011 at 3:38pm
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Small towns are sometimes rather peculiar. My wife had informed me the "the whole world" new about my evac..........especially since she had received the 11 emails seemingly imploring help. Word travels fast in small towns and of course gets distorted.

I sort of dismissed it until last night when we walked into Beef-o-Bradys and was greeted by loud clapping of at least a dozen people. I literally had to look behind me to try and figure what all the raucous  was about. The world is upside down.......I deserve to get slammed and instead come home to cheers Undecided.
  
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Reply #157 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 7:15am
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Your wish is my command sir. Cheesy

No seriously, now I'm confused MT. Weren't you doing a 3+week trip? I tweaked an ankle one year. I had met up a friend for part of that trip and he was along on the out of the way daytrip where it happened. I laid there writhing in pain thinking I would be screwed and being damn glad we just took the one canoe that day. A day or two later he was heading out and didn't want to leave w/o me. I said it was getting better and I'd be fine. I'll just sit here for another day or two.... In the back of my mind though, I was thinking I cold easily con him into portaging my canoe on the three portages we'd travel together and then make some excuse to continue my trip.

I use to just go, leaving my girlfriend with a date I'd return and the phone# for the park. She had been there many times and knew the place and my habits well. I'd always called as soon as I could after I get out. Essentially to say that I was starting the second dangerous leg of my trip. Now days I plan a route and leave a map with lines and circles and arrows, contact #s. It's a pain in the butt. I was thinking a SPOT might be useful since I wouldn't be locked into a predefined route.

After reading your sister thread on solotripping tonight I can't help but wonder.  My evil mind is saying Dude! Get a spot and get in the boat and go until you run out of food or get bored. Then just stick the paddle between two trees and break it. Hide the evidence and press the help, send float plane at your earliest convenience button.

My luck? I'd probably yank on that paddle cautiously with no success. Then rethink my methods and give it one big push, snap, go flying only to hear a bone snap as I hit the ground badly. Hard to escape that Karma thing.

Plus, and to me, this is akin to the PFD thing, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Part of the allure for me is working w/o a net. Being self sufficient in mind, body and spirit. Knowing my limits. If I need a little help along the way I'll take it but once you can count on it w/o consequences ... that becomes a slippery slope - eyes too big for the stomach type of thing IMHO.
  
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Reply #158 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:15pm
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Enjoyable post DB..........

Although I am under no illusions of travel in WCP there is nothing "technical" there (whitewater).  Portages are available and  although they may be tough to find they are there. Being in the park and navigating it for a lengthy period of time was the least of my concerns. Rather, it being a bit idiotic to have gone in when just 30 days prior I had a rather significant event with the same knee that went out (as well as a disc problem in my back). Not to bright.

At the very least I should of followed basic common sense which would of said........"perhaps you should scale the ambition meter down and at the very least have an option for retreat". To further implicate myself that very conversation was made privately on this very website. The idea was introduced and rejected.

I am, by nature, ambitious and driven and once I get a vision in my head it can be tough to get me off the goal. Good and bad can come from that.

Funny thing is that right now I feel zero issues with the big joint. It's like nothing happened. Of course I have finally wised up and will go through with whatever is required to get me back in the game.

You should eventually get a SPOT. I dislike the concept of a yearly subscription fee (you never stop paying for the thing) but it can sure come in handy. You can bet I will have it with me in the backcountry of the glades from now on as well. BTW, you can call for the floatplane but it is still going to cost you......$480 in my case for the less than 1 hour flight in which I thought was reasonable.   
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #159 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 3:55pm
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Hey, MT.  I just got around to reading your thread after some folks on bwca.com referenced it.  Bad luck on your mishap, but glad you made it back home in one piece...more or less.  I wouldn't beat yourself up much.  Anyone who gets out of their comfort zone a bit and takes calculated risks get a plus over someone who stays in their comfort zone all the time. 

My knee crapped out on me this summer as well, but not as bad as yours.  Hope you get well soon and "back in the game."  Like you, I'm now 51 and I can see the writing on the wall as far as portage weight goes.  I used to carry 90 pounds without too much trouble.  But the knee is telling me no more.  I tripled several of the portages this year, including the last half of the Death March.  I just can't get myself to leave behind my "comfort" items yet.

Re SPOT, I've used the first version 2 years now.  Yeah, the annual $99 fee kind of sucks, but I do it more for my wife and kids.  She actually commented this year that it was nice to watch my progress with the knee acting up.  Like db, I leave a map with my planned route, but tell her to not be surprised if and when I deviate from the plan.  After reading your recent experience, she's likes the SPOT even more knowing that if I ever do hit 911, the evac actually happens.
  
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