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 25 MT's WCPP trip (Read 92609 times)
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #160 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 5:29pm
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Thanks PK
I was glad to hear in your trip report you were able to not only do your trip but excel in spite of your knee issues. Good for you!

Beat myself up? I dunno know?! As you know (as per our political debates) I can be a person of very strong opinions. Some folk like that about me and some folk hate that about me. But IMO if a person is to be honest one must be able to look at oneself in as objective manner as possible when mistakes are made. Failing in that is to end up putting the blame on something or someone else.

What happened is a common human mistake. That is, in spite of the evidence and potential for mishap, a course is plotted and the action executed regardless. Just ask General Lee about Gettysburgh.

Failure to, at the very least, acknowledge the error of judgement (and indeed it was) and eat some humble pie would be a failure to grow and mature as a human being. Am I going to stay in that mode? No way........I'm past it, I've learned from it and am ready to move on.

I guess triple portaging isn't the end of the world. DB and now you (on the lengthy Death March no less) employ it and your smart guys (I mean for Democrats that is Wink ). Perhaps I will try and open my mind to the concept a bit. I like my stuff ( and now all I need is a "place for my stuff".........or better yet, "someone to carry my stuff").
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #161 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 3:21pm
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db had a comment that bears repeating and rings true in many cases.
He mentioned that triple portaging leaves you less fatigued at the end of hard portage portage than 1x--2x would in some cases.
My personal experience has been that its something to consider for all or even just the hardest parts of a long slog.
Unless your a ultralight road runner person who single portages every time, you won't find much difference time wise between 2x--1x portaging especially if while single your stopping or arrive so whipped you need time to recover.
Same with 3x vs 2x. Yes, your covering more ground, but expending probably little more energy running empty vs lugging a load.
I've often 3x portaged just short sections ( mud bogs/ corduroy) and found that the time wasn't that big of deal and when you factor in the fatigue/safety factor, it was really a no-brainier.
  
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Reply #162 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 5:34pm
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Indeed ST, I did triple several of the short stretches rather than "load up". While the accumulative effects of a day can serve to whip my tail I cannot ever remember having to "rest up" after a tough portage or really even slow down. Isn't that what getting back in the boat is for? While I may get pushed into tripling I ain't likin it. An extra trip on a 1K portage is pretty time consuming and smacks of inefficiency. Of course my alternative was an injury so I guess it is all about perspective. Maybe I will talk myself into tripling the first few days or perhaps the first 1/3 of a long trip where a lot of supplies are involved.

Just got back from the doc. Surgery set for thursday. He seems to think the knee is stable and an old meniscus tear is flippin around finding a place where it shouldn't. I'm still suspicious and am hoping against him finding a stretched tendon as well which is not repairable. Walking around in 3 days after the 20 minute surgery and doing what I want in 3 weeks sounds great. Do I dare as much  to hope that I could resume a little martial arts and actually RUN! Not that I would (well, maybe just a little) but that would be great!
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #163 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 7:26pm
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While I may get pushed into tripling I ain't likin it. An extra trip on a 1K portage is pretty time consuming and smacks of inefficiency. Of course my alternative was an injury so I guess it is all about perspective.


Good news about your knee, hopefully the Doc is spot on.
Maybe while he's cleaning up your knee, he can cut down your A+ personality type, at least on your trips to maybe a B+ Wink
If you don't change your mindset a bit, once your feeling 100%, your likely to be right back where you started.

I know some feel that if they don't cover X amount of ground in X amount of time, or that they have to back-off do to injury etc, that they have somehow " failed" on their goals? Being driven 24/7 is a game you can't win in the end.

I think the main goal should be to enjoy yourself and let the daily grind go. Nothing the matter with running full tilt, when the conditions are right but a nice stroll has its perks too Wink
  
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Reply #164 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 7:45pm
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You know the nice thing about traveling solo, you can go on your own pace.  I will admit that at 51, I was still ripping around trying to cover ground.  I don't know if its age or just taking time to enjoy my surroundings more, but when I'm alone whether I double, triple, or leap-frog portage doesn't raise much of a blip on my radar.

Perhaps I don't travel that slowly, however.  When traveling with Jimbo's crew a couple of years ago, on our next to last travel day, I chose to lag behind at the campsite and leave about 30 minutes behind the others.  That way, I got to travel at my own pace and not have to sit and wait for portages to clear of traffic before I could pull-up and unload.  (I was also getting a bit concerned that others might have felt I was slowing them down.  While having others haul part of your load over a portage, it really wasn't necessary.)  When I arrived at the final campsite (I had the misfortune of paddling in driving rain for about the last 1/2 of it, which did slow me up just a tab in the interest of caution), I asked how long they had been there.  "Oh, about 30 minutes" was the answer I got.  So, maybe I wasn't so slow after all.

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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #165 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 7:58pm
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As usual your right ST.

A+ personality? AW geez, I think your swell too Wink

(That would be an interesting addition to "Paddler Profile" would it not? that being......."do you see yourself as a type A or B or C person")

BTW, who are you calling extroverted, inflexible, easily angered, hyper competitive and impatient? "You talkin to me"......."just wait until I get my knee fixed"......."I'll show you"  Cheesy


  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #166 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 10:27pm
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As usual your right ST.


Not even close Huh
But, I can relate to going hard or not going at all.
When I first found QJ, I would read trip reports that covered areas I had paddled but never really saw Sad
I was so focused on getting to the next campsite I missed things I wished I had taken the time to discover on my own.

I'm an early riser anyway, so I don't mind paddling longer time wise, at a slower pace sometimes when I'm on new or interesting water. I know I can turn it on if need be, so as long as I get out on time, everything in between is negotiable Smiley

It's amazing what you miss and what you can see/discover if you only take the time to look Wink
  
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Reply #167 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 11:42pm
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In all seriousness I believe you are exactly correct. That is, in taking time to allow things to happen. In spite of my wanderlust style (yes I do like to see new places) I am also familiar with being still.

To those who hunt, wether it be with camera or gun, understand that to be a "part" of the environment as opposed to an intruder (for lack of a better word) requires one to stop and be still. It is only then that the forest inhabitants resume their activity. The longer you are still, IMO, the more you start to really "see" what is around you and that includes tiny vistas as well as sights far away.

I like to stop at a portage and eat a bar when the time is right. I almost always find something of interest or thought provoking beauty in the 5 minutes it takes.
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #168 - Sep 19th, 2011 at 3:21pm
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MT,

I'm just catching up and read of your misfortune. I assume the surgery went well. How is the rehab going? Praying for a full recovery. Cool
  
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Reply #169 - Sep 19th, 2011 at 5:46pm
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Thanks OS.....that is kind of you to inquire. I will covet your prayers.

It seems to be getting better. I did 4 consecutive days of bike riding last week..... 6, 6, 12 and 14 miles. Yoga last night which seemed to help some more.

I am suspicious of course and will take it little at a time. To be able to jump, run or throw a few kicks without collapsing in a heap would be absolutely spectacular.

And how about you? Did you not have some knee issues yourself? Replacement if memory serves me correct?





  
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