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 25 MT's WCPP trip (Read 91120 times)
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #30 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 2:40pm
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There are a few ways to enter waypoints for portages or points of interest ahead of time. I have used the method you came up with of using a metric ruler and then estimating the UTM numbers for the easting and northing position. Since the UTM numbers are actually distance all the way down to meters for the last 3 digits it works OK.

With the advent of the Canada Topo maps on the computer it is now a lot easier. With the park map at your side and the desired lake zoomed in on the computer screen and the waypoint tool enabled it is a simple matter of moving the cursor to the desired spot and clicking. This will record the spot as a waypoint. I advise naming the waypoint to avoid future confusion with the default number that is assigned. Record all these and any other info from other sources into one file for your trip. You can use copy and paste to glean items from others files.

When complete upload the file to your GPS.

A few cautions:
Avoid the default numbers because only one of duplicate numbers will be stored in the GPS.

Garmin only reads the first 9 digits of a name, hence if there is a list that all have the same first 9 digits it will only load one of the list.

Keep separate files for different aspects and trips.
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #31 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 5:39pm
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Wow Marten, you are a Godsend. In fact Quiet Journey and its contributors have been a total blessing to me. Considerable influence over my summer trip to Quetico was due in large part to a QJ contributor and now I am expanding my horizons to an area I had not even known existed less than a year ago.

Again I ask your indulgence. These questions are coming from someone who only in the last couple of years acquired a cell phone, e mail and the like. When I joined QJ less than a year ago the term "copy and paste" was completely foreign. Shocked..........HEY, I'VE BEEN BUSY.......OK!  Wink

The Topo Canada for the computer...........Is that the same program that I can purchase through Garmin to load into my GPS?

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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #32 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 6:31pm
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mastertangler wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 5:39pm:
The Topo Canada for the computer...........Is that the same program that I can purchase through Garmin to load into my GPS?

Nearly right.  Topo Canada (and many other products offered by Garmin) is actually DATA.  The program that manipulates the data is MapSource.  Much of the Topo Canada is LINE data ... e.g., contour lines, shore lines, etc.  So, when you add a waypoint, you are simply adding more data (in the form of a POINT rather than a line).  Other features of mapping tools (like MapSource) allow you to draw your own lines (for example), which could be anticipated routes (which I find really helpful to estimate total travel distance over a snake-like paddle through a series of lakes and portages).  The tools often label these forms as ROUTES and TRACKS. 

So ultimately, what you load to your GPS can be a combination of MAPS (from Topo Canada), WAYPOINTS, ROUTES, and TRACKS (which you can create for yourself or find elsewhere).

By lesson 42, we will talk about creating custom waypoint symbols so you can reduce the amount of clutter on your screen (you may find that the built-in waypoint symbols are a bit large for your taste).

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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #33 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 7:50pm
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Thanks for jumping in DD.

You will not believe how far you can go by lesson 51.

Garmin GPS's above the basic ones come with a CD containing MapSource, the program you load to the computer.

Garmin Topo Canada is a DVD of Canada Topo Maps which you load to your computer. You then select the ones needed and load them to the GPS.

It is much easier to build and work on a trip file on the computer and then load the the file to the GPS. You can upload additional waypoints, tracks and routes into the GPS at any time.

Note that when you upload maps to the Garmin GPS it will first delete all loaded maps except the factory installed basemap.

Keep the questions coming and we will all learn something from the answers.
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #34 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 8:35pm
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You will not believe how far you can go by lesson 51.


[MT and I shared a few PM's about this topic last week.]

And by lesson 67 we might event start talking about importing/exporting/converting files between/among MapSource, Memory Maps, ArcGIS and other mapping tools ... or even making map data from data that starts out as an excel spreadsheet or database ... what fun!

Hey, I've been playing with this stuff for a while.  My first successful personal mapping project was 20+ years ago.  Back then, I could find data (DLG format from USGS, for example) for all of the US, but had some difficulty finding software to process it.  Before writing my own, I actually discovered that faculty and students at the U.S. Naval Academy had a version they would share with the public.  It struck me funny at the time that the U.S. Navy would be interested in topographical maps until I realized that the mountains in which they were most interested were under water.  It also came with a wire-frame "fly through" feature ... like driving a submarine through a submerged canyon.  (I guess this also explains why the software didn't differentiate between land and water).  Of course, my interested lay more in navigating canyons and mountain ranges in Colorado.

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Reply #35 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 8:36pm
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You guys are the best.

I haven't shopped around for pricing (they're proud of their work $$!) but I want to make sure if this is what I need to get.

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It looks to be Mac compatible.
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Reply #36 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 8:45pm
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mastertangler wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 8:36pm:
You guys are the best.

I haven't shopped around for pricing (they're proud of their work $$!) but I want to make sure if this is what I need to get.

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It looks to be Mac compatible.
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That's it ... but you might want to shop around a bit.  I seems to remember paying just under $100 for mine ... but that has been several years ago.  [I just checked and Amazon has it for $99.99.]

Also, you need to go back to the Garmin web site periodically.  With some degree of regularity they make upgrades and fixes to MapSource that are free downloads.

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Reply #37 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 9:19pm
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Be careful MT, if Marten and DD make this too easy for you then you might not want to go.
  
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Re: MT's WCPP trip
Reply #38 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 10:52pm
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Kingfisher wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 9:19pm:
Be careful MT, if Marten and DD make this too easy for you then you might not want to go.


SHHHH! Don't discourage them. Easy is good. My life is complicated enough.

Besides, unlike a few notable others here on QJ I actually LIKE knowing where I'm at.  Wink
  
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Reply #39 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 2:21am
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I am hoping this exchange will turn up some alternatives to the Garmin Topo maps. I use them for convenience but wonder if there are better maps out there. I was on the Wabikimi Project with Uncle Phil a few years ago and his GPS map even had old canoe routes displayed.
  
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